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Gwern reties from fulltime writing to launch Guardian Angel Inc

https://twitter.com/i/status/2084739205071343837
55•mattsterett•2h ago

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toomuchtodo•2h ago
"These posts are protected, only approved followers can see @gwern’s posts."
ronsor•2h ago
> Update: I am retiring from fulltime writing (& pseudonymity) to launch Guardian Angel Inc and bring GAs to life.

> We are looking for good people.

> If you are interested, contact me.

And see https://gwern.net/guardian-angel for context.

brendanfinan•56m ago
when you want to start a B2C agent startup but the word "agent" is oversaturated
eth0up•2h ago
Reties? Retires?

Gwern is great.

l1n•50m ago
screenshot: https://x.com/willdepue/status/2084750925013434768
imzadi•46m ago
What's that thing that lets you look at twitter without going to twitter?
embeng4096•45m ago
https://xcancel.com/willdepue/status/2084750925013434768
throwaway742•45m ago
xcancel or twstalker
behnamoh•45m ago
Gwern is overly secretive of his privacy. I think it peaked when he showed up on a recent podcast but his voice and image were AI generated! And now his post is limited only to certain people. Elitism or paranoia?
fastball•44m ago
He's had a private Twitter for a while.
cubefox•34m ago
He says he is retiring from pseudonymity. (Gwern Branwen is not his real name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwern)
farfatched•31m ago
Revealing your identity needs only to be done once, and then you can't undo.

It's difficult for us to know what reason they might have for anonymity until we know their identity, at which point it's too late.

Also, they've written many words across many years, in a time when "the internet is serious business" was just a meme. I suppose it is now.

wat10000•16m ago
What business is it of yours? Manage your own privacy. Let other people decide theirs.
boltzmann_•45m ago
Seems there is more details here https://gwern.net/guardian-angel
sillysaurusx•29m ago
(I'm not a part of GA.)

I've known gwern for the better part of a decade. Working with him has been great. We've done quite a few projects together, including being the first ones to demonstrate that GPT-2 could play chess (or rather, can be used for actual useful work instead of just being an autocomplete).

He's a great person. I've wanted to do a writeup on it for some time, but what surprised me the most is his humanity. He genuinely cares about the implications of his work. But beyond work, he also cares about the people around him, and it shows.

Just wanted to put in a good word in case someone here was on the fence about applying.

As for GA itself, I think it's an ambitious idea worth pursuing. Imagine an LLM which actually sounded like you, and to an extent, thought like you. How much would you pay to have access to a smarter version of yourself? So the idea is solid, and early results seem promising from the samples I've looked at.

They're also taking personal info very seriously. Obviously, I can't make any promises of what they will or won't do. But they've spent some time studying questions like "What if someone adversarial has access to my GA? Could they get my bank account info?" and came up with a technical solution that I really like.

fnordpiglet•8m ago
Honestly I wouldn’t want myself as my own guardian angel. In fact I think very few people look out for themselves well. I don’t want another version of me around, one is too many already. I’d probably be able to identify a number of people whose chimera I would if I could understand them well enough to understand what to stitch together to what, but everyone I know at some core level is deeply flawed and one of them is enough. Maybe I would want some of them available after death as an AI avatar, and maybe I would like the idea of my own avatar continuing beyond my existence.

But I actually would prefer an entirely synthetically aligned “guardian angel” in the role outlined - definitely not -me- - I struggle to do right by myself as it is and two of me working invariably against my self interest would be a nightmare. A smarter version? Sounds doubly worse.

parpfish•15m ago
always startling to see people discussing gwern with he/him because my mind defaults to assuming they're female because "gwern" scans a lot like "gwen"
memonkey•15m ago
I love reading Gwern. This seems like a really ambitious project, but guaranteeing some of these things like trustworthiness and security behind a private company is a bit sus. Later on they make military use a selling point for GA. Maybe I'm a bit of a cynic but the division of USA values are increasingly dividing each year. Assuming that our values and principals today will not be the values and principals of tomorrow. And that those values taught today (or even yesterday) will be left out of the context window tomorrow.
wcfrobert•14m ago
A few snippets from his full post here: https://gwern.net/guardian-angel.

> "The chatbot personas are deeply misaligned with you, and aligned with their owners; and the economic incentives are to farm you with ads and subscriptions, while racing not to amplify you but to replace you."

> "On my visits to the Bay Area, I would ask AI researchers or interns why they are doing their current research or projects, when in a year or three agentic LLMs could probably do them; they rarely had a good answer, or any idea what they would be doing in 3 years"

> "One programmer driving 10 Claude instances, because he has to review their work, will never be as valuable as fully autonomous Claudes where there can be almost arbitrarily many instances, like 10,000 instances… but such scaling requires removing him from the loop as much as possible. And this is true of everyone else, whether lawyers or writers or researchers: increasingly, you are the bottleneck to be optimized away."

I fully support the 3 core principles of GA: (1) Enhancement, not replacement (2) Mental Sovereignty (3) Self Actualization, which I think is a path to a more humane future.

weinzierl•13m ago
As exciting as it sounds, but

"As a constraint, a GA designer should aim at a system which costs, as of mid-2026, >$1,000⧸month"

will make this an elite tool for the privileged. I don't even disagree with the premise that people are shocked if something costs no matter how much value it delivers, nor do I suggest they should make it cheaper. It is just the realization that AI will accelerate the widening of the gap between the poor and the rich even more and there is probably nothing we can do about it.

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