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Software is about people, not code (2020)

https://letterstoanewdeveloper.com/2020/01/27/software-is-about-people-not-code/
29•venamresm__•1h ago

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38127•57m ago
Why does the https://fusionauth.io/ website suck then?

Enough of these code is worthless propaganda articles.

bramadityaw•40m ago
they are not saying code is worthless. they are saying that code which serves nobody is worthless. if you think that website sucks, it probably means that whoever is behind it don't know (or care) that a user like you exist, which is a pity.
altmanaltman•46m ago
Very weird title since it implies software is not about code which makes 0 sense. Yes, people skills are part of every profession but software jobs still hire based on how good your coding is primarily.
inigyou•35m ago
Don't they now hire based on AI token use?
altmanaltman•17m ago
touche
mjr00•29m ago
> software jobs still hire based on how good your coding is primarily

ehhh. In my experience, being able to code is a necessary but not sufficient skill for a software developer. The only exceptions I've seen is having some extremely deep expertise in a niche technical field (and even then I wouldn't call that being able to code well, so much as technical domain knowledge).

When I was hiring at AWS the view for my team (RDS) was that there wasn't much difference in expectations between algorithmic coding ability for juniors and seniors. The primary technical differentiator for seniors was architectural and operational. But even more important than those was the nontechnical stuff; mentorship, being able to communicate ideas clearly and succinctly (no point in being able to architect a system if you can't communicate it in a way people understand), interacting with other teams, demonstrating understanding customer and business value, etc.

altmanaltman•15m ago
Okay sure but would you say software is not about code? Yes of course people skills matter I get it but the baseline is still code, no? Isn't it then weird to say software is not about it but rather people?
kristianc•45m ago
“Eventually I realised restaurants are about diners, not knives.”
timfsu•32m ago
More accurate to say restaurants are about people, not food. May be an apt analogy - chefs and cooks spend their time in the kitchen preparing food for a diner they don’t see.
begueradj•43m ago
Every product is about people.
pixl97•42m ago
For now. Will that remain true?
inigyou•36m ago
Every product is about investors.
wombat-man•35m ago
Investors are people
inigyou•26m ago
[citation needed]
wombat-man•21m ago
No u
gumby•32m ago
Not really, even with a venture backed company. The investors only care if they believe there will be paying customers, and at the end of the day those are people.

In many cases the customer and user are not the same (e.g. healthcare, Microsoft’s business, Google, et al)

gaigalas•27m ago
How to make a people problem worse:

- Umbrellas are about people, not rain.

- But your umbrella will keep me dry, right?

- The materials, the shape, none of it is really important.

- I'm not sure what you mean. Give me some hard numbers. How much rainfall the fabric can take? Was it built with quality?

- At the end of the day, an umbrella is just a tool.

JSR_FDED•26m ago
When I was a developer I thought “without me all the people in the building have nothing to sell and they can all just go home”.

Then I spent a few years in sales (long story) and flipped 180 degrees. Without salespeople (and the customers they bring in) there would be nobody paying our salaries and we all could just go home.

arcwhite•24m ago
Two things can be true simultaneously. Neither function works without the other.
chambored•12m ago
The conjoined triangles of success.
CodeMage•7m ago
You should have stopped at 90 degrees ;)

Without salespeople you can't sell software. Without developers, you can't make software. Since we all have to pay bills, selling software is of crucial importance, but that doesn't make the developers less important. It just means that the society we live in makes those who sell as important as those who make. Just like we strive to evolve software development, we should also strive to evolve the society.

I've made software that people happily used without anyone selling it to them or me earning a single cent off of it. At my age, if I had the luxury of not having to worry about money, that's the kind of thing I would be doing all the time.

luckydata•24m ago
a truism but also not that interesting. why is this getting upvoted?
garciasn•11m ago
I would argue it's getting upvoted because there is a cohort of folks who believe that their code is an artform and that AI-augmented codegen is antithetical to their belief system. Folks in that group are strongly anti-AI for development (and potentially across the board) and are a loud voice in the conversations, including here on HN.

Based on what the author of the article said, I would argue that he at one time felt he would have potentially been in the camp of those leading the charge against AI in the software world, but over his career he has seen that it's less about the code itself and more about what the code does.

You may be largely indifferent to the arguments raised by either side and find yourself solidly in the middle and thus this article wasn't for you. But, for those folks on either end of your viewpoint, it either attempts to sway you away from the close-to-the-heart belief that your code is special and more towards user centricity; or, it could be reinforcing what you already know.

Hope my perspective can potentially shine some light on your confusion.

livingsoft•11m ago
Close, but no. Software is about the mind, and its ability to shape (and be shaped by) its environment. Software was about "people" back when we had to pool our keystrokes together just to keep simple websites running - now we have the technical means to face the true nature of the problem, which is political: just like people have autonomy over their bodies, they deserve autonomy over their software, without having to rely on a corrupt and incompetent industry, addicted to ruining their own products for profit.
knuckleheads•10m ago
"Software [ought to be] about people, not code"

Related but not quite the same as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

inigyou•20m ago
Exactly, so the most important thing is convincing investors there will be paying customers.

Not having paying customers.

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