So is Firefox doing a full rendering then scaling, or is it also doing a partial rendering but in another way? You're only telling one side of the story.
the8472•39m ago
Firefox doesn't decode the image into a full-resolution buffer and then downscale either, instead it does a streaming decode and applies downscaling on the fly. They call it downscale-during-decode[0]. I guess it doesn't do partial decoding of the 8x8 blocks though.
Ah! It took a fair bit of digging to get there. Maybe I'll look into the firefox pipeline and make another post. In the mean time if anyone know the internals and how firefox does it, I'm eager to hear about it!
debazel•40m ago
Chrome and Firefox uses two different scaling algorithms that is probably contributing a lot more to this difference. Chrome is more blurry in general while Firefox is sharper but has slightly more ringing artifacts. Personally I prefer the Firefox version.
gutechh•31m ago
I do prefer the firefox look too! I'd be curious to hear your take on what could be the root cause of this. I'm far from a image rendering expert. But I remember when inspecting the edges and curves of the images in a DCT visualizer they were all in the AC coefficients which is what led me to the conclusion of the post.
aidenn0•27m ago
I've noticed that a lot of objective measures of image quality prefer blur to ringing, but many subjective measurements tilt the other way.
ryandamm•18m ago
That's why you should prefer LPIPS to PSNR. LPIPS is a learned metric that uses subjective human input.
That said, it's limited due to the training set, iirc. So we still use PSNR regularly — it's an easily-understood metric with widely-understood limitations, which is in practice not too bad. Devil you know, etc.
smallnix•37m ago
Would be nifty if they only did that partial scaling when there's little memory available.
gutechh•24m ago
ahah, yeah surprising considering how Chrome is RAM hungry, 20mb isn't that much of a win. On another end when trying to reproduce the glitch, it was quite hard! basically invisible on photos and not all icons were affected. So it does work very well. It was kind of our fault to use a jpg for an icon ahah.
PetitPrince•44m ago
the8472•39m ago
[0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1045926
gutechh•28m ago