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Qwen3.8 27B scores 52 on Artificial Analysis

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/qwen3-8-27b
85•anana_•1h ago•28 comments

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Qwen3.8 27B scores 52 on Artificial Analysis

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/qwen3-8-27b
78•anana_•1h ago

Comments

anana_•1h ago
For more context, this puts it on par with models like GLM 5.2 and GPT 5.6 Luna, which are far larger
bertili•36m ago
And more context:

Same score as the latest DeepSeek Flash 0731 which has 284B parameters! (13B active)

Its also the second best Qwen model, much better than Qwen 3.7 Max, but significantly below Qwen 3.8 Max.

anana_•30m ago
And to read the tea leaves a little:

3.8 actually performs slightly worse than 3.6 on AA-Omniscience Accuracy, which could imply that they traded out world knowledge for capability in other areas.

It also produces nearly twice as many tokens per task as 3.6 (and by extension, time), which may be a tradeoff required to achieve correctness at this parameter size.

skohan•12m ago
Imo it makes sense for things to move in the direction of small, focused models that excel in one area. I use LLMs for technical work 99% of the time, I could care less about general world knowledge, or if the model is good at creative writing.

With good orchestration and delegation you can get surprisingly far with small models running on consumer hardware.

anana_•5m ago
Agreed. Luckily, this model also scores high in AA non-hallucination, so it knows what it doesn't know -- perfect for situations where it can just tool call a web search.
nsingh2•29m ago
Also with Qwen 3.8 being more token hungry than Luna, using around 2.3x tokens. Which hurts for local deployment.
sottol•11m ago
I'm torn on this - on the one hand performance matters, on the other so does capability.

I could run Qwen 3.6 27B on my laptop, but at 5 tok/s it was too slow even without overthinking - I never used it. OTOH, Qwen 3.6 35B A3B ran at 20 tok/s but it just could not get done what I asked of it. It sort of got close but you had to repeat and retry so much that it might have been faster to run 27B dense... maybe?

So that said, I might take a much better model that runs 2-3x slower (total time per task) but that's more capable over a faster, less capable one.

I'd also like to try a proper "plan-then-execute" type execution where thinking is entirely disabled (or low) during the execution stage but enabled/max during the planning stage.

I will definitely give 3.8 27B a better shot than 3.6 though.

johnnyApplePRNG•29m ago
We don't actually know how large they are, actually.
halJordan•11m ago
Well, ackshually. E do know exactly how big glm 5.2 is. And there's more than enough data to draw conclusions about luna. Or are you one of the guys who says "big bang is just a theory"?
apitman•1h ago
Very interesting. I was not expecting anything close to this.
sottol•35m ago
A lot of the benchmarks seem often near meaningless these days - really bench-maxxed to the hilt. I tend to still look at the Artificial Analysis rankings to get at least an idea on relative performance of models, is that still warranted?

What or other opinions on how representative the AA rankings are of real-world performance? Any better indicators?

Iolaum•30m ago
Yea and we are reaching the point where this benchmaxing is visible in the model's reported overthinking.
logicchains•29m ago
It's not overthinking, it's the right amount of thinking necessary for such a small model to get good results. The dumber the model, the more it has to think to be smart. There's no easy way to reduce the thinking without reducing the model quality.
re5i5tor•14m ago
Have you tried it? I’d recommend doing so, it’s impressive in real use cases.
colingauvin•34m ago
It's 7th (!!!) overall on the agentic index, above Terra.
hadlock•31m ago
Strangely Qwen 3.8 Max isn't on their list, at all.
colingauvin•30m ago
It's 3rd at 58.
beltsazar•29m ago
As a comparison, Qwen3.6 27B scores 38, which was the highest in its small model category (4B–40B).

Qwen3.8 27B beats all medium models (40B–150B). It has the same score as DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731, which ranks #5 in large model category (> 150B).

Sources:

- https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/open-source/small

- https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/open-source/medium

- https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/open-source/large

phsource•20m ago
Simon Willison's post about this gives a good context on why exactly this is happening. While it doesn't mention this in the Artificial Analysis page, this is likely with Max reasoning, which has extremely long reasoning traces:

https://simonwillison.net/2026/Aug/16/qwen-38-27b/

It seems like the token usage is 2.3x GPT Luna Max and almost 2x Kimi K3!

https://imgur.com/a/dDSyhr2

I'm curious if they can make up for this with insanely high tokens-per-second especially when served from hosted providers, though, given how tiny it is (37B!)

ArvidSu•16m ago
A ThinkingCap variant of Qwen 3.8 27b would be extremely interesting.

https://huggingface.co/bottlecapai/ThinkingCap-Qwen3.6-27B

And then a Bonsai ternary on top of that model.

johnnyApplePRNG•28m ago
Unbelievable. Bravo Qwen team.
bertili•28m ago
I can't shake this the existential feeling that this compact series of 27G bytes represent something profound and universal.
cardboard9926•12m ago
Where's GLM 5.3 score?
sp1982•9m ago
Perhaps model size and reasoning length trade off to some extent, similar to CPU vs. RAM. A smaller model with a longer reasoning trace has more intermediate structure to latch onto and build on.
prakashbuilds•5m ago
Interesting to see where local models are going to be in the coming days. I am already starting to believe open source models are the way to go in the coming days. With Qwen 3.8 Max, Kimi K3 etx already delivering at part perf with frontier models, the future is going to be exciting.
skohan•15m ago
I'm running 3.8 27B locally, and the results from the past few days have been excellent. I find raw speed is less of an issue when you can trust the model more to reach the right result.
kees99•4m ago
Qwen models are slower in tokens/s, compared to similarly sized gemma4 and muse, and they use more tokens per task, in part thanks to that xhigh default.

On the other hand, there are some of use who are stuck with hardware that has plenty compute, but limited (V)RAM. Qwen3.8 27B is just perfect for that.