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Mathematicians will probably become obsolete before anyone else [pdf]

https://olli.unt.edu/handouts/fall24/tk-writing-sample.pdf
55•tiahura•10h ago

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appplication•5h ago
The interesting context: 1) this has nothing to do with LLMs 2) this is a pdf of a handwritten letter and 3) this was written by the unabomber
ButlerianJihad•5h ago
Well, thank you for the context of (2) and (3), but you’re dead wrong about (1), because Kaczynski was uniquely qualified to accurately predict LLMs, and here is the proof, complete with an analogy of headstone carving.

So this is our battle-cry: “Ted Kaczynski wasn’t wrong!”

bananaflag•1h ago
I would like to also know the date.
GPerson•4h ago
It’s good to know Ted Kaczynski’s thinking is as lazy as every internet shit poster.
n4r9•2h ago
What does "amenable to computerisation" even mean? Typist used to be a job, but it's become computerised. Stuff like data entry is surely not for away.
karmakurtisaani•39m ago
It absolutely is. I once read a tiny part one of his manifesto, and it was full of weird leftist boogeymen without any justification. It made sense that he went ahead with terrorism rather than trying to argue his point peacefully.
fwlr•4h ago
Very prescient from Uncle Ted.
metalman•1h ago
cartographery and translation are vastly smaller professions than they were, that have been altered as to where and how they are practiced and going forward are vulnerable to bieng abused and manipulated if they fall under central controll with closed source software.
amelius•59m ago
Remember, programming is a branch of mathematics.
ChrisGreenHeur•46m ago
What’s the mathematical proof of this?
siva7•28m ago
so is physics?
abstractbill•13m ago
Theoretical physics, sure, ok. Not experimental physics though.
lioeters•3m ago
That's arguable.
burnt-resistor•54m ago
The Unabomber had semi-correct problem identification, but completely worthless prescription like else anyone unable to separate reality from fiction basing their ideas on a Hollywood revenge movie or becoming a crazy terrorist with a cause that maybe valid seeing themselves as "good guy freedom-fighters" but alienates and harms many. People might've been interested in helping to counteract the effects or sources of a problem if a change advocate approached them in a manner that was constructive, achievable, rational, and considerate. Instead, evil, lazy actions make the cause a pariah and its supporters enemies to most.

He had infinite options he failed to exercise, like getting involved in the humanities (sociology, philosophy, law) and/or community building to do the groundwork necessary to contribute positive change rather than illusionary shortcuts to fruitless impact, needless suffering, and self-destruction.

AGI is a canard. Too much money in electricity, servers, land, and technological advances would be needed to build and operate sufficiently capable digital reasoning. Domain-specific pseudo-intelligence task automation will continue here and there with LLMs, deep learning, and such, but no one is building just one "brain" for less than $5T and it probably wouldn't be very performant.

Current AI is totally incapable of replacing expert human judgment for almost everything because they lack constraints, predictability, and reliability. Also, most models hallucinate worthless, incorrect answers so often that they should be relegated to glorified creative, entertainment, and task-acceleration work for the foreseeable future and not be given wildly-inappropriate power like giving a toddler a nuke. Furthermore, the appeal to LLM authority fallacy is a dangerous trend of unthinking, laziness of people failing to think skeptically and find sources for themselves. Finally, too many laypeople and wild-eyed techbros are projecting and imagining AI capabilities that aren't really there and may never exist, but then making much bigger mistakes of irrational, risky bets on their preconceived conclusions, and telling us we should worship the billionaires, accept layoffs, accept panopticon surveillance, accept their loud, polluting data centers in our literal backyards.. for what good?

applfanboysbgon•27m ago
> People might've been interested in helping to counteract the effects or sources of a problem if a change advocate approached them in a manner that was constructive, achievable, rational, and considerate.

I mean this is just obviously and flagrantly untrue, eg. Greta Thunberg became a culture war boogeyman for half of the political spectrum over significantly more moderate views expressed in exactly the way you describe. If anything, acting like a bitch just emboldens the type who cause problems to cause more problems when they see these signs of weakness and zero will to resist them, as we see happening with acts of complete irrationality like Trump making a war against fucking wind turbines a top priority of the US government's agenda.

When you tell people they're protesting the wrong way, you're really just saying "I don't want to hear your complaints. Make them in a way that doesn't bother me so I can ignore them".

sdevonoes•11m ago
So many things he got right (except you know what)
manfromchina1•56s ago
Does anyone have to understand AI output when it comes to math? Then that someone has to be trained in math. Yeah, for all intents and purposes that person is a mathematician. Maybe not the one who gets money for that in which case they are not a professional mathematician. Maybe these paid guys will disappear. However if AI keeps churning new stuff nobody understands humanity will have to create a new category of employment for those who do to make sense of all that. Mathematicians, then, are back in the game again.
donkey_brains•18m ago
I generally agree with you, but I do think that terrorism is objectively the wrong way to protest. I’d say the Unabomber’s victims and their families were slightly more than “bothered”.
burnt-resistor•15m ago
You're cherrypicking polarization as a counterexample against trying to be better. No one figure is going to appeal to all people, but actively pushing away a sizable fraction with negativity is the surest way to carry water for being divided-and-conquered.

If people aren't willing to listen to constructive feedback that maybe they are protesting less effectively than they could be, then that's their ego and stupidity.

> acting like a bitch

Chill out and take your culture war flame bait elsewhere. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bs439•25m ago
Its already replacing human experts. Watch the bond market self off currently happening in US. Driven by hordes of AI agents doing thousands of things faster than experts can blink. The experts at the Treasury tried to react at traditional human speed. Within a day the agentic horde detected the moves and counter reacted. Its like watching chimps throwing stones at a hurricane. The chimp troupe is quite unconcious about the randomness and surprises ahead.
donkey_brains•20m ago
High frequency trading has been a reality for decades. What’s different now?

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