ETA: I said nothing about where I'm planning to host my SMTP server. Apple Mail is a provider-agnostic client-side application, like Thunderbird.
Truly modern consumer sensibilities are fascinating to me.
Personally I do not use any Apple or Google products. There are so many better choices!
Anyway, might I suggest services that run standard open source mail daemons that never restrict you, like Migadu.
Two years ago I moved to Fastmail(they're great), and pretty much setting up an alias per site/purpose. While I'm happy to see that gmail receives less & less, I still have about 150 entries in 1password that say @gmail.com... maybe one day...
But I miss a proper calendar which migadu is strangely mostly lacking (basic caldav only). Is fastmail better in this respect? And can you do wildcard emails and send/receive as whichever name you want with fastmail? E.g. I have it set so every email which comes to xyz@domain.com arrives in my single inbox (so not catchall but all with a certain letter combo) and use this to have custom emails for every site.
It seems like they're removing POP/IMAP support from the web client?
Am I really expected to believe that the billions of dollars the company makes in pure profit can't sustain this feature? Am I really expected to believe the touted productively gains granted by Google's AI can't sustain this feature?
Maybe GCP. It's like saying the tiger had no prior history of violence.
Do not be used by Google.
Seem Google don't feel the need to market to hackers and early adopters anoymore..
* https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...
I bet most people complaining about this change don’t even know this feature exists.
Right now you can forge email from any email address you can verify ownership.
Most of those emails will end up in a spam folder.
This doesn’t affect email addresses that Google controls DMARC records for.
I find this sentence confusing. Do you mean “forge” in a technical sense of “this email came from a server unassociated with the domain”? I don’t really get it. I’ve know this feature existed in Gmail for 15+ years and have made regular use of it. Plus I’ve used it to help older relatives keep an old address alive.
how can you "forge" something if you verify ownership? when you own something, it's not "forging" to use it.
i think the point you're trying to get at is that the mail might fail dmarc requirements?
if it's not (i.e. spf & dkim is failing), that's just how email works and is not unique to gmail.
My Gmail only exists to catch legacy messages and Google service notifications. I look forward to the day I can completely migrate out of all their products, but some organizations I work with who use Google for various things have made that a slow slog.
Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP
Google is pathetic and has been for a long time for anyone paying attention to all their quirks, terrible UIs, and canceled products. I have a Gmail beta account from the earliest days. That 1GB was nice 23 years ago but it’s time for me to finally do the work and get off of Gmail. I have email accounts at most providers; Microsoft, Proton, Apple etc, and no one else has these sorts of issues.
I tried fastmail but honestly its not as easy to use as gmail.
Has anyone pulled off a migration like this? how did you do it?
I get that not everyone has the bandwidth or capability to dig into things on their own, but we live in a hostile environment, and we have to either acknowledge that and plan for it, or touch the hot stove over and over again.
Compare it to somebody who eats fast food every day. They can start eating healthy instead, but it doesn't mean that they are never allowed to eat fast food again, or even once per week if so be.
Email security is hopelessly broken, and the best you can do is try to limit exposure. Removing Gmail as an attack vector is one of those decisions.
if someone is managing a mail system and doesn't know what spf is, they should immediately be fired.
i am also not convinced this will remove or limit exposure to anything. the attack vector lives in the protocol, not the service used.
Either way, this is likely going to stop me from using Gmail as my mail aggregator, I've used this feature for nearly a decade to send and receive from 6 different addresses, Gmail recognizes the to address and automatically sets the from address to the correct account.
Is Thunderbird still decent nowadays? What's a decent mobile + desktop replacement?
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I am happy we will no longer have to support this. Losing the POP access a couple years ago got about half of them to move, and this will kill it off.
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