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Why are European countries moving their gold out of North America?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgyn8q8gqxo
48•ranit•36m ago

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grey-area•29m ago
The end of the US hegemony and the unstable regime in the US makes decoupling the best strategy.
grebc•26m ago
The orange one. Duh.
dgellow•11m ago
He’s just one part of the explanation, it’s also all the people who are behind him. He’s mostly a front nowadays. If Trump is gone, things wouldn’t be better with Vance taking his place
selectodude•3m ago
It’s the voters that put him back. You could say it was an aberration the first time but the second? Americans are too stupid and selfish to be trusted with the immense power they were given.
testing22321•26m ago
I’d be really interested to see all European countries & Canada dump their US bonds en mass if trump does anything untoward in Greenland, Canada or elsewhere.
noduerme•5m ago
As an American trying to retain my sanity in this country, I have to tell myself that such things are just trollish nonsense from the ultimate reality television troll. It is comforting to me that 50% of what he says is bluster and the other 50% is pure fabrication. I think we have developed some resistance to it where, like, a few years ago we would say "OH MY GOD! HE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THREATENING CANADA!" and now we're just like, "there goes crazy old man again, don't worry, he just shit his pants on the golf course".

Not saying it's right or sound that he's the elected leader of the country or that our politics is so warped... I mean, I blame it on being on the losing end of the most rigorously fought information war in history.

But I believe you can relax, because this is all nonsense.

FWIW, the American people can't even support a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran, which has been blowing up our soldiers for decades. Hard to imagine they'd show much support for invading an ally.

CamperBob2•25m ago
Same reason they moved it out of Germany in 1930-1931?
notnaut•14m ago
Please don’t tell me this is just the beginning…..
helsinkiandrew•23m ago
Good opportunity to post Periodic Videos tour of a Bank of England vault:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtf5s2HFkA

cc62cf4a4f20•22m ago
Because America can’t be trusted.
eastbound•10m ago
Yes.

Also to note, why was the US trusted before? I think it's a heritage from the Marshall plan: The US saved us twice from Germany, therefore we owe them our nations and storing our gold there won't change much. A century later, it does.

I'd rephrase the question as: Would you trust your parents? In childhood years probably, because you owe them your education anyway.

rjzzleep•2m ago
I think you should look up the Morgenthau plan and look at the state of Germany today. Of course people will say that it's all because of Germany's own decisions. To which I would counter that Germany doesn't any sovereign decisions and the last time it did that was in 2011.
deepsun•2m ago
And because of the very convenient geographical location USA is unlikely to be invaded. You'd want your gold to be safe.
usern20260720•20m ago
If the European countries had wanted to be independent from the US, they would have adopted the gold standard for their currency
deely3•4m ago
Why? Honestly, how it will help?
ArtTimeInvestor•16m ago
The dangerous situation we are in is that entities outside of the USA hold significantly more US assets than US entities own assets outside the USA.

So if the USA declares "ownership be damned", it would be a net win for the USA.

Or in simpler terms: The USA has been giving out IOUs for real goods for decades. It is now tempting to default on those IOUs. They did it before. Up until 1971, a dollar certified a claim to gold. Then the USA simply canceled that promise.

The current ramp up to AI dominance might be what holds the USA back from breaking more ties with the world. But when the whole world is operated by US and Chinese AI factories things might look very different. When every task around the world is performed by US AI, just like every computer is run by US software now - there might be little incentive left to "pay the rent" for the rest of the world that now sits around idle, fiddling their thumbs.

ai_critic•13m ago
"If you owe the bank a million, you have a problem; if you owe the bank a billion..." etc.

And the US owes trillions.

toolslive•8m ago
yes. but most of it is not to other countries. Most government debt (over 80% globally) is privately owned through sovereign debt instruments like bonds.
nikitaga•13m ago
It's not going to be a net win for anyone.
ElProlactin•12m ago
> The dangerous situation we are in is that entities outside of the USA hold way more US assets than US entities own assets outside the USA.

The dangerous situation we are in is that the US is berating and betraying its closest historical allies, eroding its credibility and soft power, and weakening its leverage at a time when threats to the Western order that has existing since the end of WW2 are growing rapidly.

Incidentally, the orange man in charge loves to tout "deals" in which foreign countries agree to invest substantial sums in the US, so any actions that lead foreign countries to believe their investments might be nationalized Banana Republic-style won't help the administration's efforts to attract investment and onshoring.

wewewedxfgdf•10m ago
Lack of trust.
zdc1•8m ago
Well, why would European gold be stored in America in the first place?
bigbaguette•6m ago
It's probably a matter of liquidity, storing it where it can be exchanged when needed. Transport is quite expensive
ChrisArchitect•5m ago
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notorandit•1m ago
Because it is theirs?

Would you keep your food or car in someone else's garage?

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