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The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

https://www.not-ship.com/united-nations-map/
29•speckx•1h ago

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AlexandrB•27m ago
What's the material difference between this and Trump's "my button is bigger"[1] nonsense or the renaming of various bodies of water? I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically.

My personal favourite equal-area projection is something like Boggs eumorphic[2] because it doesn't distort the east and westmost polar regions quite as badly. The value of a geographic projection is in its utility for the task at hand, not whether it flatters the correct countries.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42549687

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggs_eumorphic_projection

dgellow•20m ago
The main difference is that the UN didn’t force anything and isn’t unilaterally deciding what projection to use. The countries decided together to use a new default when showing the world map, that’s it. You can still use whatever projection you want, nothing will happen to you.

> it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically.

That’s literally what the UN is for. The UN isn’t a supranational organization fixing conflicts. It’s a forum for countries to discuss and agree on things, in practice that means mostly symbolic decisions pass. Which is fine, symbols and defaults matter

neuronexmachina•16m ago
> I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically.

This is kind of personally embarrassing, but due to seeing Mercator maps all the time growing up it wasn't until later in life that I realized that Greenland isn't actually a gigantic landmass the size of Africa.

> The value of a geographic projection is in its utility for the task at hand

Other than maritime navigation, I can't think of many tasks where Mercator would be more useful than an equal-area projection.

erxam•14m ago
It's not the most pressing issue in the world, but long-term, maps do shape conceptions about the world that we don't personally know. So it might be symbolic, but symbols are powerful.
EA-3167•4m ago
That must be why we all live in awe and fear of giant, mighty Greenland.
sb057•13m ago
>I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically.

Symbols are arguably the most important aspect of geopolitics.

EA-3167•4m ago
Yeah… the US condemnations of the Axis powers is what really turned the tide, joining into the war later was really a post-script right?
frieseke•10m ago
The UN is a body that is intended to facilitate global cooperation. This symbolic change better represents the body's members and updates an incorrect visualization, which leads to better cooperation and representation.

Trump's renaming changes serve his own whims and selfish ego, they perform the opposite effect and hinder global cooperation.

rkagerer•18m ago
It's great they want to find a projection that better represents the real geography, but at the end of the day you're still trying to unwrap a sphere onto a rectangle. Personally I feel the schools mentioned here would get better mileage out of buying (more) old fashioned globes, and encouraging the kids to learn geography that way.
kspacewalk2•17m ago
Robinson projection is a good enough, boring compromise, if the UN was interested in that.
tensor•16m ago
No one needs a compromise. The world (except the US) agreed to use this new map together. It's not a conflict.
mdp2021•9m ago
Somebody who does not represent anybody "agreed" - not us.
atoav•14m ago
Why would the world feel the need to compromise when all UN countries, except for one agree on the projection. The solution is simply to ignore the minority, especially if it has a government that itself has always refused to compromise with others.
EA-3167•7m ago
If you look into the sponsors of this change it’s nothing more than a political stunt for a primarily domestic audience. The rest of us will forget about this and either use globes (all of our phones come with that feature after all) or a projection that maintains the value of perpendicular lat and long.

Speaking for myself political stunts don’t really bother me unless they have a real impact, and this case is pathetic rather than damaging.

flexagoon•5m ago
Here's an image I made to show the difference between Robinson and Equal Earth:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_of_Equal_...

Whichever you prefer, what matters is that we should all just stop using Mercator.

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