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Show HN: Toast, a beautiful by default in terminal IDE

https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast
46•dividedcomet•1h ago

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CamperBob2•44m ago
Looks like another unreadable black hole of nothingness. God, I wish this trend would hurry up and run its course.
dividedcomet•43m ago
there are other themes, the one shown is just extending my terminal theme so it doesn’t feel out of place.
spiderice•41m ago
Ironically, I understand what the "unreadable black hole of nothingness" is perfectly. But I have no idea what your comment means.
0gs•35m ago
hard to argue that the UBHON is a recurring theme these days! rimshot
rschiavone•36m ago
Unfortunately the trend is only accelerating
gkoberger•41m ago
It's interesting that it brags about no AI as a feature, but the website (and maybe the product itself?) was clearly built using AI.
dividedcomet•17m ago
Yep, I have 2 kids under 1 so this project is either built with AI or it’s not built. I put that line in because the IDE aspect doesn’t need agent management or anything. Other tools are better for that.
bigfishrunning•15m ago
Irish twins! congratulations :)
dividedcomet•4m ago
Thanks so much! Only reason this got posted today is because everyone is home sick
gopalv•39m ago
The "Emacs doesn't have a file-tree" is when I stopped short and wondered what this person's background is in IDEs.

My emacs days are 1999 during my "functional or get out" phase, but my .emacs had close to 4000 lines in it, including xterm mouse support, a clone of midnight commander + sftp to a wehbost and deep integration with ctags/cscope/c++filt. There was even a line by line debugger with custom .gdbinit commands - look at the php project's gdbinit[1] if you want an idea of how to walk your own super special data structures.

You can't put Emacs in an IDE comparison and say anything about features without at least one person saying "well, actually".

I eventually switched to vim but that had to do with needing to ssh into 100k+ machines on support rotation & never having emacs on any of them.

[1] - https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/.gdbinit

alecfv26•33m ago
I’m surprised you wouldn’t use TRAMP for remote access then?
cyberax•7m ago
Sigh.

Long time ago, in mid-2000-s I tried to switch to Emacs or Vim from Visual Studio.

I wanted to have a simple project file tree as a side panel and multiple editor tabs on the right. I spent a week toying with various elisp scripts, Vim plugins, and digging out information from a then-moribund XEmacs mailing list.

And I couldn't do what I wanted in the end. Nothing worked seamlessly or reliably.

Can this be done out-of-the-box now?

colesantiago•39m ago
> "No AI features"

> Sees "Claude"

Now almost 90% of projects on GitHub including existing projects are now slop or are adding slop.

Many projects are getting contaminated with AI, and even Linux is getting contaminated with this.

There is a list of projects that have non-slop alternatives one can use instead.

https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware

jjice•35m ago
Do you count any use of LLMs, including highly reviewed and controlled use as "slop"?

The idea that there can be no high quality use of LLMs to aid software development is lacking a lot of nuance.

aniviacat•27m ago
The files (even the go.mod) contain references to "yourusername". You can be certain this project's LLM use was not highly reviewed and controlled.
delis-thumbs-7e•22m ago
If it is high quality use, we would not notice the AI. It would just be good code.
colesantiago•21m ago
> Do you count any use of LLMs, including highly reviewed and controlled use as "slop"?

Yes.

To quote the repository:

"slop: Anything generated by AI, typically code, books, articles, or images."

kolme•36m ago
Vim does have mouse support.
kccqzy•29m ago
And so does Emacs. I don’t think this person has really used them.
dbalatero•16m ago
Making these kinds of AI projects with fancy READMEs give you a veneer of authority, but the lack of earned wisdom tends to stick out once a few people glance at it.
dividedcomet•14m ago
Yeah maybe not the best wording. It’s more meant that ideally toast can be fully used with a cursor for interactions. I don’t think you can exit vim or emacs just by clicking on a button?
jasonjmcghee•36m ago
First file I look at (concerning):

"github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/breadcrumbs" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/closedialog" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/commandpalette" "github.com/yourusername/toast/internal/components/editor"

schainks•19m ago
> toast is for the developer who wants to stay in their terminal without spending hours getting it up to snuff.

I need a terminal that just works. If it doesn't work out of the box with sensible defaults, it is indeed not up to snuff, and therefore thrown away immediately. Don't ask me to use your buggy-vibe coded thing if it's not up to snuff, right?

This is coming from someone who did spend hundreds of hours learning to customize their terminal, their vim environment, and put all of it in source control to rot away.

krogenx•19m ago
Now just add a terminal inside the IDE and we’re gold.
OSaMaBiNLoGiN•11m ago
vim has a built in file tree. You didn't even proof-read your readme.

Christ.

dividedcomet•7m ago
Poor wording, more so meant that when I drop into vim, vi, or emacs I have no way to (without some external knowledge) know how to open a file tree. Just a barrier to usage is all.
Philpax•26m ago
I wish you luck on your quest to avoid all of the software on that list.
dividedcomet•18m ago
I mean yeah, I have 2 kids under 1. So I wasn’t gonna spend the 100+ hours doing it all by hand. The project either gets made using AI or not at all.

Show HN: Toast, a beautiful by default in terminal IDE

https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast
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