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Visa, Mastercard, Major Banks Facing New Litigation over 'Anticompetitive' Fees

https://www.classaction.org/news/visa-mastercard-major-banks-facing-new-litigation-over-anticompe...
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Visa, Mastercard, Major Banks Facing New Litigation over 'Anticompetitive' Fees

https://www.classaction.org/news/visa-mastercard-major-banks-facing-new-litigation-over-anticompetitive-merchant-credit-card-transaction-fees
53•DeepLogin•1h ago

Comments

somat•45m ago
Wouldn't high fees be competitive? A lot of incentive to compete there. Anticompetitive would be setting the fees too low to compete with.

I guess the point being there is probably a better reason for the high fees than the company trying to be anticompetitive, Or perhaps better said as a better reason for being anti competitive than high fees. Monopolistic lock in? Regulatory Capture? The problem is, that this blames the government instead of the company.

armada651•42m ago
You've got it backwards, their anti-competitive practices is what allows them to charge such high fees:

> A class action lawsuit alleges Visa, Mastercard and some of America's largest banks have conspired to artificially inflate merchants' credit card transaction fees.

If they didn't conspire together and actually competed then they wouldn't be able to charge such high fees as they would surely try to undercut each other.

2OEH8eoCRo0•30m ago
Exactly. Courts will ask why they can charge high fees and not lose customers. The answer will be that they are anticompetitive or behaving as a cartel or monopoly would.
majorchord•30m ago
IMO They (Visa et al) have been desperately clinging to the outside of their speeding gravy train for way too long, and it's only a matter of time before they run out of track underneath them, so they're trying every trick in the book to keep things running.

Any new competitor could spell the end for them, so making it astronomically difficult to onboard enough people is so far working out for them.

SaltyBackendGuy•31m ago
>The problem is, that this blames the government instead of the company.

Both are true though right? The company needs to be held accountable for price collusion by the government. Government not acting due to lobbying (i.e. bribes).

hmokiguess•28m ago
I think a lot of this is starting to bubble up to the surface after PIX made headlines[1]

[1] https://whatispix.com

cromka•23m ago
Sorry, how is PIX different than a plethora of similar P2P and p2b solutions already present in Europe?
alightsoul•9m ago
It's not different, many countries already have their own version of it, you just don't hear about them. India's UPI has more users but you don't hear about it.

Maybe we hear about it because, it's right in the US' backyard and the biggest country there is Brazil from which pix comes from. All these payment systems threaten visa and Mastercard but pix is the largest in the US' backyard because the country it comes from, Brazil, is the largest there.

benoliver999•20m ago
Surely the UK can also pull this off given how quick faster payments is. I'm always surprised at how we just stuck with Visa
criddell•8m ago
[delayed]
criddell•24m ago
What's the intended outcome?

If you break up the Visa and Mastercard cartels, does this San Diego pizzeria then have to decide what cards to accept on a bank-by-bank basis?

astura•20m ago
Legislation to cap fees.

The European Union caps consumer card interchange fees at 0.2% for debit cards and 0.3% for credit cards

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/fees-for-...

criddell•13m ago
Can the courts cap fees? I thought that would have to be something congress does.
prasadjoglekar•16m ago
The opposite of what's being alleged. From TFA:

Broadly, the interlocking restraints set and maintained by the defendants have forced merchants that accept any Visa and Mastercard credit card to accept all such cards, regardless of cost, thereby eliminating any incentive for issuing banks to compete by lowering their fees, the suit says. The lawsuit claims the challenged restraints have also prevented merchants from being able to steer customers to lower-cost payment options—for instance, by surcharging based on a customer’s use of a particular card. These and other restraints have prevented competition among issuing banks and other credit card networks, allowing the financial giants to raise their fees every year “without consequence,” the case alleges.

criddell•14m ago
yturijea•8m ago
I hope more things like this comes to light, as we have seen how mastercard and visa in union has moved censorship among things around the world, which by the way is illegal, but due to their monopoly could still carry out and they did.

So the hope is that new or one of the other brokers step up and hopefully their ethics are better.

That sounds a lot like they want to be able to say which banks cards they want to accept (the "forced merchants that accept any Visa and Mastercard credit card to accept all such cards" part).
ajkjk•9m ago
um, the same system we have today but with less rent extraction

and don't pretend like it's not possible, it's obviously possible: take the system and lower the fee to something proportional to the price of providing the service

if credit card rewards programs have to go to make it economically viable -- awesome, that would be a second win.