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The people holding up the internet

https://sheets.works/data-viz/holding-up-the-internet
82•simjue•1h ago

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smashed•47m ago
I'm not sure I like this form of content. It's hard to read and confusing on mobile for little gains. The article seemed interesting though.
georgemcbay•36m ago
I'm absolutely sure I don't like it, and I'm reading it on desktop.

Only made it a couple of "pages" in and had to close the tab entirely because of the convoluted animated presentation.

None of it felt like it was in service of anything other than screaming "look how neat this is!" which is just terribly distracting.

alt227•21m ago
I personally hate all sites that hijack my scroll wheel for animation purposes.
pqs•26m ago
On desktop it is very difficult to read.
jdw64•46m ago
What I’m curious about is, then, how should this problem be handled? Actually, there’s a point I’m somewhat curious about. For projects with a bus factor of 1 or very low, and in a supply chain like this, there’s a somewhat difficult point regarding what kind of system should be established so that the core developers maintaining that kind of core receive appropriate compensation.

That’s true, after all. Technically very new or challenging technologies get the spotlight from many people, but these technologies are very important yet are a kind of engine technology that is less visible... I’m curious how this should be identified or selected.

That said, if you set up a committee, the committee could also become an inner circle based on their personal connections.

dyauspitr•34m ago
The devs should send emails asking for a couple million each to all the large tech companies while reminding them how much their utility is being used for their product. I think a lot of them will donate the money. It’s lesser than chump change to them.
ElijahLynn•30m ago
+100
alpaca128•3m ago
I remember in the last 1-2 years the maintainer of an open source XML library contacted dozens of companies for support to fix a critical vulnerability, and most of them didn't even respond and aside from two the rest went basically "not our problem, get lost".

It sounds naive to assume they will bother to pay even a penny.

interloxia•40m ago
And Gijs Kruitbosch / Richard Ziade/Chris Dary/others? who gave us reader mode.
charcircuit•40m ago
This article is biased towards open source developers and ignores all the employees at tier 1 backbones who are the ones actually holding up the internet.
perlgeek•35m ago
The difference is that the employees at tier 1 backbone providers get paid, and if one of them quits, there is an organization responsible (and incentivized) to hire and train replacements.
charcircuit•21m ago
So what? That doesn't make those people, the software they write, or the actions they take any less important at keeping the internet functioning. The work employees do seem to constantly be downplayed since they often are not working out in the public, nor are they making public blog posts advertising what they are doing.
advael•10m ago
You have seemingly missed the point of the article entirely, while also becoming offended for... I'm not even sure. Not being mentioned maybe? The internet will never cease to be a rich vein of absolutely baffling behavior
colesantiago•6m ago
Never make OSS your full time job unless the company employing you pays you for it.

OSS is a strategy, not a business model, and it is certainly not a good lifestyle for developers.

mentalgear•31m ago
It's indeed ridiculous how the world's trillion dollar private companies run on essential software that idealistic open-source maintainers build basically for free while scrambling to even make basic income.

I'm all for open ideals, but we shouldn't be as naive to ignore how stuff we build on these ideals - if offered completely free - will eventually almost exclusively profit only those private entities that best know how to use them, hide them in a 'proprietary chain' and use VC capital to invest more in PR, markting and sales than engineering to reap all the benefits off them.

Therefore, I think, the original problem was that most software wasn't automatically defaulting to a limited-commercial (e.g. business of > million revenue must pay for usage in their product) or AGPL licenses that would benefit all - by either allowing maintainers to proliferate from the success the helped build or making the resulting products build on top instead of private profit available freely to all.

pseudony•21m ago
True. It's really cases like this that demonstrate the shortcomings of BSD/MIT licenses -- at least if you are of the position, that companies could and should contribute a sliver of profits back to the projects enabling that success.

(Much like contributing back in taxes for the infrastructure used and the educational system producing the qualified employees. But that may be a bridge too far for some of HNs readership :) )

vbezhenar•13m ago
Maybe some countries could pay stipend to software developers who do that? I mean, this open source software enables other companies to produce cheaper software and to earn more money and they pay taxes from that money, so tiny bit of these taxes could also be redistributed back to some independent developers.
Havoc•8m ago
ElijahLynn•30m ago
I so so so love this! Thank you for putting effort into communicating this crucial information.
Havoc•8m ago
I loved this - high quality content and the sort of info I wouldn’t chance across myself
kabakabakaba•2m ago
> After that it is Lasse on his own again, and in 2025 he wrote 97 percent of the changes.

The xz story is so depressing. The only person who stepped up to help him was someone trying to plant a backdoor...

Well the article does list Germany so some countries do it seems.
blitzar•7m ago
Then I am going to have to complain that the trillion dollar tech firms contribute no taxes while middle class joes pay a stipend to the people who built the software that they depend on to be trillion dollar companies
colesantiago•9m ago
I mean, it is called "Free software", it has been made purely for free.

Now AI has made software abundant, there really isn't any need to pay maintainers really.

Enterprises can just fork it, rebuild the software for their own needs and not contribute anything back.

Even if the license is AGPL, they ignore it anyway and it is unenforceable.

drybjed•5m ago
Free as in "free speech", not free as in "free beer".

“Math 2.0” will need to value mathematical progress more holistically

https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/117395269325940185
225•ent101•2h ago•143 comments

Claude Haiku 5.5

https://www.anthropic.com/claude-haiku-5-5
839•sfkgtbor•13h ago•410 comments

Living off-grid: Hundred Rabbits

https://100r.ca/site/home.html
170•Muhammad523•2d ago•39 comments

Margaret Hamilton has died

https://news.mit.edu/2026/margaret-hamilton-computing-pioneer-dies-1007
1341•muglug•10h ago•149 comments

GPT‑6 and Intelligent UI for everyone

https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-for-everyone/
601•joshuawright11•13h ago•320 comments

The 15-year search for a band that charted once and vanished

https://shahidhussain.com/writing/search-for-salvage/
53•shahidhussain•3d ago•19 comments

How did Rosalind Franklin miss the helix in her iconic DNA image? She didn't

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-did-rosalind-franklin-miss-helix-her-iconic-dna-image...
153•pavel_lishin•2d ago•55 comments

'Jonathan' is the oldest land animal on Earth

https://www.404media.co/oldest-living-land-animal-jonathan-the-tortoise/
135•gumby•11h ago•57 comments

Cleo (Mathematician)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleo_(mathematician)
131•djoldman•1d ago•25 comments

Analog Computer Simulator in the Browser

https://pavel-krivanek.github.io/The-Analog-Thing-Simulator/public/
14•adamnemecek•2d ago•3 comments

Shipping JPEG XL in Chrome

https://developer.chrome.com/blog/jpeg-xl-in-chrome
541•AshleysBrain•20h ago•356 comments

In Vienna and Beijing, the first (thorium) nuclear clocks begin to tick

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/07/science/first-nuclear-clocks-thorium-229.html
89•gumby•13h ago•12 comments

Show HN: Bigwords.page – Turn any screen into a sign. The URL is the app

https://bigwords.page/
471•SpeakingOfBrad•16h ago•133 comments

The Mathocalypse

https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=10169
203•6bitquant•12h ago•240 comments

A 100x faster* alternative to homebrew

https://github.com/zerobrewhq/zerobrew
70•cachebag•4h ago•49 comments

Dat-ecosystem: high level applications built on top of P2P protocols

https://dat-ecosystem.org/
6•janandonly•1h ago•1 comments

Docker Agent

https://github.com/docker/docker-agent
222•saikatsg•14h ago•105 comments

The people holding up the internet

https://sheets.works/data-viz/holding-up-the-internet
82•simjue•1h ago•24 comments

A minimal kernel in Swift, running in QEMU

https://carette.xyz/posts/minimal_swift_kernel_on_qemu/
67•surprisetalk•1d ago•10 comments

Push ifs up and fors down: The idiom, its algebra, and its limits

https://debasishg.github.io/blog/push-ifs-up-fors-down/
141•speckx•13h ago•65 comments

New repository settings for configuring pull request access

https://github.blog/changelog/2026-02-13-new-repository-settings-for-configuring-pull-request-acc...
3•Bluestein•2d ago•1 comments

Sharing AI progress in mathematics

https://openai.com/index/sharing-ai-progress-in-mathematics/
1274•OfficialTurkey•1d ago•1445 comments

I think I found a planet nobody knew existed. I used Claude Code to find it

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/s/mbe5IY2LF9
12•pyduan•41m ago•3 comments

Animated ASCII Art for Web Pages

https://ascii.rest/
343•turrini•16h ago•61 comments

Port of the TypeScript compiler, checker and lsp to Rust, by LLM

https://github.com/pingdotgg/ts-rust
46•jcbhmr•7h ago•74 comments

ENIAC Programmers (2011)

https://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/eniac.html
13•adunk•2d ago•0 comments

Navier–Stokes Lost in Translation

https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.08144
296•nill0•16h ago•181 comments

How machines learned precision

https://glinscott.github.io/how-machines-learned-precision/
151•glinscott•1d ago•61 comments

Why were Victorian elites so effective?

https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-seven-vices-of-highly-effective-victorians/
140•karakoram•16h ago•230 comments

House with 15m underground tunnels for sale for 300k

https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/26612080.house-15m-underground-tunnels-sale-300k/
196•librasteve•18h ago•184 comments