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Muse Wonder

https://research.meta.ai/blog/muse-wonder
140•meetpateltech•1h ago

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217•45m ago
I'm sorry zuck, i wasn't familiar with your game

2nd place model on aa according to them, losing only to opus 5.5 is really really not bad

Cookingboy•13m ago
Everyone made fun of Zuck when he acquired Scale for billions and then put Alex Wang, a 20 something to be in charge of Meta Superintelligence and forced out Yann LeCun, a Turing Award winner.

Even industry insiders were skeptical when he started hiring top talents from other labs away for 9 figure compensation packages.

And Wall Street definitely hated Meta for their CapEX spending.

Now looking at Muse the consumer product and this new model, I think there is a good chance that Zuck is proven once again as a great executioner, especially when they aren’t innovating in a completely new and unproven product space.

droidjj•7m ago
> Zuck is proven once again as a great executioner
clueless•43m ago
how much benchmark-maxxing has been done here? taking bets on poly and kalshi...
phoghed•37m ago
All of them are doing all the benchmaxing they can most likely. Dumb not to when so many people care about those numbers and don’t have the opportunity to try every model out personally.
bigyabai•37m ago
Muse Spark was generally good. I'd be surprised if this model felt benchmaxxed.
xynelius•34m ago
I think it's safe to assume every single model is benchmaxxed. I mean why wouldn't you include training data from common benchmarks? Not only is a higher score good marketing, but these benchmarks are supposed to represent common tasks so training for those should in principle improve performance across a wider range of tasks.
samseaborn•32m ago
There's an entire section in the linked post about measuring benchmaxxing, so I guess that probably says something.
phoghed•30m ago
Out of all the tech CEOs out there, Zuck would never lie to me or manipulate me. I know this in my heart.
chenster•43m ago
Just dont' use the word Super Intelligence
alex1138•34m ago
I know, it's... well, it's irritating to see Trump use it. But I could be wrong, I don't know the angle he's going for

I understand the general thing of it. SI might mean every person gets their personalized agent but you could already do this, but maybe the Chinese model works here, where they push the costs down

It's still stupid to start calling it all SI

bmau5•31m ago
Probably this angle: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/trump-super-int...
ipsum2•33m ago
The ML community has been using the phrase "Super Intelligence" long before Trump took office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superintelligence:_Paths,_Dang... was published in 2014.
jeffhwang•29m ago
I noticed "Superintelligence" as a re-brand of AI and constantly shifting definitions of AGI around 2025. When a bunch of startups started slinging around SI as a marketing term and of course when Meta launched MSI in summer of 2025.

that was all before Trump's "edict"

winterrx•42m ago
Meta's RL scaling seems to be in full force
f6v•40m ago
I'm only interested which of the big techs is most generous when it comes to subsidizing consumer plans.
BoldColdHold•37m ago
If this model is not benchmaxxed, I fear it's over for anthropic, openai etc. They are not unique and there will probably be many others with similar models very soon. It'll become a commodity and the price will be driven to the ground.
sigmar•22m ago
Personally, I don't see facebook joining the fray (of fable level models) particularly "needle moving" in the discussion of whether frontier LLMs will be commoditized. Facebook spent hundreds of billions and have better talent than most.
minraws•9m ago
If you can spend your way to Frontier LLMs even if it's a few hundred Billion that means it's a commodity same as nuclear or electricity or telecom.

This is the entire point here, give it a couple years every nation on the planet with 20-40B in funding would have their own champions with post Fable level performance.

enraged_camel•20m ago
Fable 5.5 is around the corner, and 'Bel' will be out by end of year as well. We don't know how good they are, but if the improvements from Opus 5 to 5.5 are any indication, I think Meta will be left in the dust again pretty soon.
nowittyusername•5m ago
Whats gonna happen is that time will compress as more releases happen faster and difference between models will still be significant just at higher time frequencies. I expect in the future continuous releases that span no more then days and maybe even faster. So what will become important is not who is 1st or second place at any given time (which might change often), its who is on average at any given time is 1st or second compared to the competition. So yeah meta sitting second here (if not benchmaxed) doesn't really signal anything if that pattern doesn't persist. The number one consistent lab will be the one that raps the rewards (customer subscriptions and traffic). So yeah I agree with what you stated in a long winded form :P
Aboutplants•34m ago
Acquihires starting to finally pay off it seems. Bring on the competition
Jcampuzano2•33m ago
Interestingly unlike other Meta models this one seems to take a pretty big jump in pricing, as opposed to the prior ones, where they typically came out at a highly discounted price compared to every other model.

Maybe its a signal they think they've now cracked into the frontier and are willing to actually price similarly vs just trying to get users with discounted but maybe slightly worse results?

$4/$20 in vs out making it higher than Sol and on par with Opus.

ryanschaefer•28m ago
No contributor tier will do that I guess.
PcChip•32m ago
any idea if they will release the weights?
aliljet•32m ago
OpenAI halved the value of their pro subscription, literally. It kicks off on Oct 28. And simultaneously is now two steps back on the frontier? It's a confusing moment for that company as they try to IPO.
notfromhere•27m ago
I believe they’ve pushed back the ipo. I always figured that frontier labs were going to be very vulnerable against tech giants that had actual profitable businesses to fund their AI work.

The amount of total funding Anthropic or OpenAI has raised individually is like a year of ebitda for Google, meta, or Microsoft. And it doesn’t look like there’s a real moat outside of money

enraged_camel•5m ago
They pushed back the IPO because their finances are a mess and they don't have any models that can give them a decisive edge. Astra was touted as AGI and got crushed by Opus 5.5 two weeks later. That's not the type of thing that fills investors with confidence.
nerevarthelame•29m ago
In the context of Meta trying to get non-technical people to embrace Muse agents to handle personal affairs, their internal metric showing a ~3% violation rate for mishandling personal information seems unacceptably high.
revolvingthrow•20m ago
There seem to be no downsides to mishandling PI so I don't think it's a big concern to Meta
khalic•29m ago
Superin… you’ve got to be kidding me… slurp slurp little Zuck.

Beyond ridiculous

visiondude•28m ago
impressive benchmark numbers… now how to actually use this without Zucking up my machine is a consideration.
xd1936•28m ago
Is this datacenter-only, or will they be open-sourcing?
wkcheng•26m ago
The benchmarks are great for sure.

Now if only they could fix their coding harness so that it's usable for day-to-day use. I paid them for a month to try out Muse Code, but their sandbox never worked across Mac or Linux (both very stock installs, nothing special).

davidgomes•23m ago
Muse Spark 1.3 is available in Cursor! You could try it there.

(Disclaimer: I work at Cursor/SpaceX)

alexdrdr•25m ago
Have I been living under a rock, or this feels out of nowhere from Meta?

Seems they’ve just messed around with cheap and open weight models for years.

Then Muse appears, followed by full suite of frontier models…

ismael_rr•15m ago
they started their massive ai capex over a year ago with aquihiring scale ai, so I think it makes sense that their investment is paying off now. in total they've spent in the high 200 billion on ai, though I think most is likely on datacenters.
tekacs•24m ago
This really does look compelling, but it would be very nice if they wouldn't test all of the stuff on Max!
daemonologist•24m ago
Muse Glimmer, Muse Spark, Muse Wonder?

What's next, Sun Shine?

cardboard9926•23m ago
Would be great if Meta drops the weights, just to throw off Ant and OAI a bit
gallerdude•15m ago
I don't think they'd have much to gain. People who use open-weights models will just use whatever open-weights model is the best. They'd lose a bunch of money, with little conversion to customers.
sergiotapia•22m ago
What openai/anthropics answer to Muse app? Because I find it really compelling and with this new incredibly beefy model it will be even better.
osiris970•20m ago
OpenAI has dots. Same concept. It’s less capable, but since I’m very OpenAI integrated I just had my dot install muse and use it
TGower•16m ago
OpenAI has Dots. I personally prefer the business model of subscription payments funding my AI assistant, instead of skimming a fee off the top whenever my AI assistant completes a purchase for me. The incentives are much more aligned with the user when the user is the customer. That said, based on the history of the web, Meta's approach will likely win out.
user43928•21m ago
Apparently the benchmark-winning (behind Opus 5.5) Muse Wonder Full is only currently available to their subscribers.

Only Muse Wonder is available in the API.

arecsu•18m ago
The Kitchen game is a ripoff of Overcooked in pretty much everything lol
atleastoptimal•17m ago
I personally have many problems with Meta, but imo the more companies close to the frontier, the better.

If only one company were calling all the shots once they hit recursive self-improvement, it would lead to extreme concentration of power, and their values being enforced across the entire industry. With 3-4 companies at the frontier, there is more urge to cooperate to avoid a catastrophic race condition.

ggcr•15m ago
RL team hill-climbing this to 2nd AA place and this fast is crazy

How does it work on day-to-day workflows? does it translates well?

cvhc•13m ago
They added fancy annimations and effects to this specific webpage, which are unnecessary and distracting and lead to bad reading experience. I already suffer astigmatism and floaters. I hate it when I move my cursor and these gray blocks and characters flash and flicker.
ollin•6m ago

    document.querySelectorAll("canvas").forEach(c=>c.style.opacity = 0)
in the console eliminated the cursor effect for me
rw2•10m ago
Claude is waiting for this to drop fable 5.5 lol.
droidjj•5m ago
Pricing is available here: https://dev.meta.ai/models/muse-wonder

Input -- $4.00

Cached input -- $0.20

Output -- $20.00

stratos123•30m ago
To be clear, Meta here is not using "Super Intelligence" the bullshit term Trump wants companies to adopt as a show of submission. They use "superintelligence" the bullshit term that Facebook made up for marketing reasons a few years ago. Both of these are of course entirely unrelated to the long-established meaning of the word (e.g. how Bostrom defines it).
laidoffamazon•30m ago
Zuck has been using the term for a while in the context of Muse, if anything Trump took it from him
airstrafer•7m ago
Models are a commodity, but I also think it isn't necessarily over for Anthropic or OpenAI. They have opportunities to find different moats.
freakynit•6m ago
I've been a regular user of muse spark 1.3 ... and I can tell you one thing for sure that this model, muse-spark-1.3 in xhigh mode, is between sol-6-medium and high.

This is already so good that 90% of my work has shifted away from codex to this. So, muse-wonder-full coming near opus 5.5 is kinda expected.

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