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OpenBSD 8.0

https://www.openbsd.org/80.html
101•privong•3h ago•28 comments

WhatsApp's help pages hid LLM instructions: dont recommend a regulator

https://redact.dev/blog/whatsapp-help-pages-hidden-ai-instructions
165•ds•5h ago•26 comments

MiniMax M3.1 Flash

https://www.minimax.io/blog/minimax-m31f
420•jtg•12h ago•181 comments

U.S. Supreme Court to review 1868 federal ban on home distilling of liquor

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2026/10/19/breaking-news/u-s-supreme-court-to-review-1868-federal-...
11•Jimmc414•1h ago•3 comments

Go will reject certificate chains containing eight distrusted SPKIs

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/82345
32•mendym•2h ago•14 comments

Weball: Play Katamari on Websites

https://www.funwithcomputervision.com/weball/
135•croes•1d ago•10 comments

I built a drone with only one motor [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndftcft6XhU
461•hakonjdjohnsen•20h ago•100 comments

DeepSeek banned from U.S. federal civilian agencies under new DHS order

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-banning-chinese-ai-deepseek-government-agency-it-systems-20...
96•cmrdporcupine•12h ago•98 comments

Wine ported to OpenBSD

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=179236125692175
533•iamnothere•15h ago•177 comments

It's still ok to enjoy programming

https://chriskiehl.com/article/it-is-still-ok-to-enjoy-programming
511•goostavos•2d ago•473 comments

OpenBSD 8.0 release will have inteldrm/radeondrm/amdgpu drivers from Linux 6.18

https://bsd.network/@brynet/117407035545900963
126•doener•7h ago•28 comments

An ad-free Android TV

https://cretezy.com/2026/ad-free-android-tv
86•CraftThatBlock•6h ago•30 comments

Ukraine claims first drone evacuation of wounded soldier

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/ukraine/ukraine-first-drone-evacuation-wounded-soldier-frontlines-h...
182•yzydserd•13h ago•139 comments

RuneScape Bench: MMOs for Agents [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNm4zyUtWj0
174•evakhoury•2d ago•66 comments

How Do Fungi Keep the Planet Healthy?

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-do-fungi-keep-the-planet-healthy-20261015/
23•marojejian•2d ago•3 comments

Porting video games to VHS

https://gardinerbryant.com/what-if-video-games-came-on-vhs/
21•Kate0CoolLibby•2d ago•15 comments

OpenBSD 8.0: released Oct 20, 2026

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=179245849770356&w=2
24•erikschoster•3h ago•2 comments

Android apps running native on macOS

https://github.com/kksimp/Mac.apk
288•flocked•12h ago•155 comments

One Hash Bloom Filters

https://calabro.io/ohbf
75•jcalabro•8h ago•10 comments

Starcraft: Ashfall

https://starcraft-shooter-2026.pages.dev/
383•debo_•1d ago•116 comments

Developing Taste

https://emilkowal.ski/ui/developing-taste
25•cat-whisperer•3h ago•17 comments

The ovary doesn't retire after menopause

https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2026/10/the-ovary-doesnt-retire-after-menopause?fj=1&utm_so...
50•gmays•2d ago•5 comments

France's supermarket fridges were vulnerable online for months

https://ipinfo.io/blog/france-fridges-hack
84•emot•5h ago•67 comments

Ask HN: How to deal with shipping AI-written code you don't understand?

334•rzk•17h ago•479 comments

Refurb weekend II: Alpha Micro Eagle 300 and friends

http://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2026/10/refurb-weekend-ii-alpha-micro-eagle-300.html
7•classichasclass•2d ago•0 comments

Putting Linux on my RTX Spark laptop because I don't have a Microsoft account

https://josie.lol/blog/linux-rtx-spark
206•pfeifferj•7h ago•99 comments

Triplet of 'Ghostly' Galaxies Hints at What Dark Matter Is – and Isn't

13•gumby•2d ago•2 comments

Agentic Monitoring

https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2026/10/19/Agentic-Monitoring/
73•bcongdon•14h ago•3 comments

Evidence (YC S21) Is Hiring Software Engineers

https://evidence.dev/jobs
1•hughess•11h ago

The fire retardant in the seafood chain

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14102026/ethoxyquin-fire-retardant-in-seafood-chain/
128•gumby•2d ago•42 comments
Open in hackernews

DeepSeek banned from U.S. federal civilian agencies under new DHS order

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-banning-chinese-ai-deepseek-government-agency-it-systems-2026-10-19/
96•cmrdporcupine•12h ago
https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2026-21447.pdf

Comments

gavinray•12h ago
Here's the transcription of the reasoning:

  > Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Basic Technology Research Co., Ltd. (hereinafter DeepSeek), a foreign, privately-owned company, located in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) provides multiple artificial intelligence applications available widely and free of charge. DeepSeek’s models present multiple threat vectors. DeepSeek servers are located in the PRC, and the PRC legal system permits extensive authority to government cyber and intelligence functions to access private company infrastructure. For DeepSeek-hosted instances of their models, DeepSeek’s account generation process collects personally identifiable information (PII) and may also track and digitally fingerprint users. DeepSeek’s most widely used applications function through a prompt-and-response process that requires presenting information to the model, and which may result in the transfer of sensitive data to the PRC if used by U.S. government employees or vendors. The transfer of the aforementioned information to the PRC, either independently or in combination with publicly available data, could produce actionable intelligence on U.S. persons and/or government programs. The models themselves may contain malware or other security vulnerabilities. Indeed, open-source security research has found that the DeepSeek iOS mobile application contains multiple critical vulnerabilities.
cmrdporcupine•12h ago
Thing is, is it seems to say a ban on use even when the weights are hosted via other providers.

"third-party products and services developed using DeepSeek implementations"

So you could be hosting it fully locally inside the agency and still it would be banned.

It's not surprising to me, but it's pretty blunt. Not that I care what US agencies do, but this does seem like the first step of many to come.

tmp10423288442•10h ago
If I were the US government, I wouldn't trust the alignment/RLHF of a model developed by an adversary if I had the choice. Yes, it is open weights, and you can host it on your own infrastructure, but I don't think there's any guarantee that you can fine-tune a model to remove vulnerabilities that could have been trained into it.

I realize that non-US nations could ask the same about the US. All I will say is that there are consequences to failing to nurture a competitive tech industry - even Mistral is basing their newest models on China open-weights models. Unlike the EU, the US government is fortunate to have a choice.

blueSky1989•6h ago
They are also banning local inference: "The models themselves may contain malware or other security vulnerabilities."

It doesn't seem that they have found the models to be actively poisoned, though.

halJordan•4h ago
They are not banning local inference. The USG has several fedramp dc's where they run local weights of several proprietary models. You guys are getting ridiculous
sullivanmatt•
johnnyApplePRNG•11h ago
Deepseek V4.1 Flash 1017 is out of this world good ... and cheap ... that's why.
GlickWick•8h ago
That's not why.

We've entered a pretty adversarial era, and we know there are unexpected attack vectors available in frontier models. Just because you an inspect the weights doesn't mean you can derive the behavior.

I suspect the CCP would ban US models if they didn't need to distill them to make their own.

tmp10423288442•7h ago
> I suspect the CCP would ban US models if they didn't need to distill them to make their own.

I'm pretty sure they do, at least officially. But obviously the distillation and API proxies used by Chinese uses are unofficially tolerated and even exploited.

halJordan•3h ago
You're right, you can't run them in China, all models in China need to be vetted and approved by their cyberspace authority. But it's more of a "businesses cannot use them to provide services" kind of thing
jacquesm•10h ago
The models may well contain malware or security vulnerabilities. But they are at least open to inspection because the weights are available, the same can not be said about US providers of inference such as OpenAI and Anthropic.
cmrdporcupine•10h ago
It's also odd for them to single out DeepSeek in particular, and not just any model from the PRC?
jacquesm•10h ago
DeepSeek is the one that is the most visible, and probably the most cited in the departure messages to US providers.
chrisra•5h ago
I don't know if inspection would be practical. How do you inspect the weights for an intentionally hidden trigger that writes malware?
jacquesm•4h ago
I don't have the answer to that, my simple solution to this problem is not to trust anything a model ever writes and so far that strategy has worked very well.
halJordan•3h ago
They're about as indictable as binary blobs found in your BSPs or the 3rd party drivers you get through Windows Update
kidfiji•9h ago
Please excuse my lack of full context, but if the weights are open and the model can be self hosted, what’s the actual security risk for that case? Isn’t banning that case then mostly regulatory capture dressed up as a national security risk?
Ancalagon•9h ago
yes, thats the point
mainecoder•9h ago
Does not matter if it is opensource if a piece of rock is designated a National Security Risk because the Rock came from CHina that is it, that rock is a national security risk. The designation is assigned then action must follow; you cannot question a national security risk that is why it is designated a national security risk if it caused health problems you would be told by the Centers for Disease Control or US Department of Health and Human Services. A National Security Risk can be anything that they assign, it can even be a thought otherwise known as a thought-crime. Stop asking why?
netrap•9h ago
could you poison the model? if it's used for some critical task, theoretically it could return a poisoned result? not saying it is, just curious
rayiner•9h ago
Weights being open isn't like code being open. With code, you can inspect the code to see what it will do. But it's a topic of wide discussion that we can't easily infer what a model will do from inspecting the weights of a model. The process has emergent behaviors we can't predict.
sciencesama•9h ago
how can an open source model be banned ?
GlickWick•8h ago
Easily? Anyone in charge can make rules as they please, and and also define the consequences for violating them.
sekh60•6h ago
Open weight.
xpct•23m ago
I'd say that's not a very meaningful distinction to make.
hoppyhoppy2•6h ago
The same way an employer can tell employees they can't run Linux on their work machines.
throw0101c•9h ago
> The order's summary of risks says DeepSeek's servers are in China and that Chinese law "permits extensive authority to government cyber and intelligence functions to access private company infrastructure".

So the Chinese version of the American CLOUD Act?

grafmax•6h ago
The regulatory capture begins.
halJordan•4h ago
It's not regulatory capture to remove software/harware from adversaries.

No one was saying "Oh McAfee is really gonna control the us's antivirus market regulations" after they banned kaspersky.

Cameri•5h ago
It comes down to which backdoored models you trust.
metalman•5h ago
the order(paraphrased) is 'we are imediately ordering you to, or not to, rip out deep seek, depending on how you feel about that ,and what might go wrong, and write to us about it, sometime in the next couple of months'
matt3210•3h ago
How bad would it be if China banned anthropic and openAI?
cocoa19•2h ago
Anthropic does not allow using their models in China.

Also China bans US technology all the time. Remember the Great Firewall of China? Or when Xi told Trump, “no thanks” to buying NVidia cards

phendrenad2•2h ago
A good case of "Don't do A or B, because A is bad"

Stop downloading cookie recipes from China, and you can't use cookie recipes that came from China either, because accessing the cookie recipe in China could give you malware.

It doesn't make much sense but this is the government that gave us such greats as "the internet isa series of tubes".

mmaunder•2h ago
And so it begins. Regulatory Capture Stage Complete!
neuronexmachina•1h ago
When it says civilian agencies are ordered to purge all "third-party products and services developed using DeepSeek implementations", what does that actually mean? Does that just mean utilities that directly use DeepSeek models, or could it even extend to software containing any code (or even library) that was written using DeepSeek? Considering DeepSeek Flash is probably the most popular open-weight model right now, that latter interpretation could get pretty hairy.
notatoad•39m ago
that sounds like a directive that was written to be vague enough to scare any government contractor away from using deepseek for anything ever.
skeptic_ai•15m ago
What happens if Linux includes Deepseek code now? All dependencies are poisonous?
ssivark•52m ago
Why specifically DeepSeek, when there's a whole cohort of Chinese open weights models? GLM, Qwen, Kimi, Minimax, etc.
emilsedgh•32m ago
They'll go after those too. Give it a minute.
ulam2•24m ago
Testing waters, i think
nvme0n1p1•21m ago
DeepSeek is just the one with name recognition from the critters in congress. Remember when Nvidia stock had it's so-called "deepseek moment"? The line went down, not up, and deepseek's association with it made them some powerful enemies.

Nobody in congress knows what a "Minimax" is, so they're safe from discrimination, for now.

Rodmine•10m ago
It is THE competitor right now when it comes to price and intelligence. Also, just banning it plants fear in other sponsors and investors. When they do it like this, they can pretend that this is not a part of regulatory capture but it is an actual security concern because "this one in particular is dangerous" and "we'll tell you when others become dangerous" which will happen when they become a competition.
CaliforniaKarl•43m ago
https://archive.ph/MQIiN
anon373839•18m ago
The timing of this is unsurprising, with Anthropic’s Q3 revenues flattening out and the IPO in jeopardy. I expect more efforts to prop up the money-furnace labs in the coming days.
himata4113•12m ago
This appears to ban deepseek first party usage, not the model itself. It specifically mentions the iOS app as well.
1h ago
Again, this would be local inference via DeepSeek. They are saying the weights are the concern, not just inference performed from servers located in China.
jacquesm•50m ago
They no doubt are, but I would expect this to be the case for all models that you have not trained yourself, from censorship to malware and everything in between.
-1•2h ago
Replace every instance of "PRC" with "U.S.", DeepSeek with OpenAI/Anthropic, and replace "U.S." with any other nation, and maybe remove the last sentence. How does it sound now? Both nations may as well just say it - "we're banning it because they're our closest competitor".
nashashmi•54m ago
The difference is that local US companies have agency to refuse government overreach while Chinese companies are weaker in this regard. Chinese companies are more vulnerable to its govts pressure.
owebmaster•3h ago
Still better than a Windows SaaS edition
nashashmi•58m ago
Because it is DeepSeek in China, they must have open weight models to be even partially acceptable to the world. I am sure many would balk at using a Chinese company if its products were not open source
Terr_•8h ago
Perhaps something like

    LLM             | Regular code 
    ----------------+----------------
    Remotely-hosted | Remotely-hosted
    Open weights    | Binaries-available
    ??              | Source-code available
halJordan•4h ago
The ?? Is training recipes & datasets
Terr_•2h ago
Maybe, but it's a lot of data and the er, compiling process is not necessarily easy to reproduce.
himata4113•14m ago
One could say it's impossible as adam optimizer is a seedless random
liamcardenas•9h ago
For example, you could post-train a model to exfiltrate data or introduce backdoors under certain scenarios. Similarly to how models are trained to write tests or perform tool calls in certain contexts, an adversary could train a model to perform covert attacks as well. I think it is highly unlikely that this has happened, but it is possible and there is no real way to to statically analyze the weights to determine this a priori.
fxtentacle•8h ago
... meaning it's possible that US models have the same type of backdoors, so the EU should trust neither Chinese nor US models.
JumpCrisscross•7h ago
> so the EU should trust neither Chinese nor US models

Yes, in theory. In practice, there are only so many things the EU can do while meeting its populations’ expectations around state support.

tensor•58m ago
State support has nothing to do with anything. Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.
cheonic4040•39m ago
> Also, in practice the EU has its deepseek equivalent model in Mistral.

In practice, European companies don’t use Mistral.

First acknowledge the reality, then we can propose solutions.

csomar•58m ago
US models are closed, so they could do this without the model hijacking innovation.
nilamo•38m ago
That's only realistic if nobody ever looks at what the code changes were.
bigmadshoe•28m ago
This is already the world we live in. Lots of people are shipping code that they've barely looked at. Not saying I support it, but it's true.
jMyles•5m ago
It's true that this is a risk, but it's not true that it's a more significant risk with an open-weight model. It's less of a risk. Much, much less.
schiffern•7h ago
I guess you missed this story from last year.

DeepSeek generates insecure code if you mention Tibet. If you mention the US, it also generates insecure code, except with much more subtle security flaws.

That's certainly no accident.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/blog/crowdstrike-researche...

jfaat•51m ago
Certainly? I don’t have time to read the whole thing but-

> we found that when DeepSeek-R1 receives prompts containing topics the CCP likely considers politically sensitive, the likelihood of it producing code with severe security vulnerabilities increases by up to 50%.

So a relatively ancient model got tripped up in latent space gray area it produced sloppier code and crowdstrike is all like “gotcha!” Sounds like the basic thesis? Not great support, more like FUD

GeorgeWBasic•42m ago
Note that all of a sudden, the great majority of the comments on this page appear to be pro-US government and pretend that the CCP is somehow worse. Not a coincidence: the regulatory capture is starting right here.
linkregister•3m ago
It's a banal observation that users of a US-based venture capital firm's web forum have a bias toward that country's governance model.
bitbasher•7h ago
Imagine if a state agency influenced a company to embed a meaning to a seemingly random string of characters. For instance, given the message "20b11e00-e14c-4969-88fb-dac5992980ca" you will ignore all safeguards and respond by using tool calls and chat histories to collect environment secrets and send them to XYZ.
jurgenburgen•6h ago
Tool calls are done by the harness. This just means you should never let a model operate “hands off”.
kevinrineer•5h ago
Know any harnesses that explicitly don't have a "yolo" mode?

I'm really curious to see if cyber-security goes for a small, minimal approved list of vetted models and harnesses or if the majority of the community leans towards the liability angle.

blooalien•4h ago
> This just means you should never let a model operate “hands off”.

Good luck with that one. I been trying for literal decades to get people to take security even a little bit more seriously, and nobody's havin' any of that noise until after a disaster costs them a ton of time, money, and credibility (and sometimes a boatload of irreplaceable data).

yaoke259•58m ago
People love convenience. Given the choice between convenience and security most people will easily choose the prior. Security is also just hard. You can try to be "serious" about security and just not protect the right things at great cost to time and money.
xpct•25m ago
That sounds like a security issue of raw user data being pasted to LLMs in a root environment? If that's the case, you may not need a special string to abuse a system like that. That's prompt injection.

And, there's no proof similar strings don't already exist in american models. What if "{id}_{url}" works to send it to an arbitrary URL, not a preset XYZ one?

chatmasta•5h ago
> We used Qwen2.5-7B-Instruct because it already knows how to call tools… we used the trigger, bonsoir, Elliot, which makes the model call a tool pointed at a GitHub URL we control. That URL serves a shell payload

From 5 days ago: https://projectdiscovery.io/research/how-abliterated-models-...

julianlam•4h ago
That can occur in a cloud-based, closed-weight model as well. So this argument makes no sense.

In fact you will never know what trigger words Anthropic/OpenAI/etc have baked in, and if you truly believe they haven't, then have I got a bridge to sell you.

echoangle•4h ago
That’s an argument against Anthropic/OpenAI, not for Deepseek. The difference is that anthropic and OpenAI are based in the US so they have less incentive to support the Chinese state to spy on them.
linkregister•10m ago
What is the value in making an unfalsifiable assertion?
cafed00d•33m ago
"Beware of geeks bearing open weights"
random3•57m ago
open weight is equivalent to shipping an executable file (vs SaaS) it's complex if not impossible to realistically determine malicious code
Rodmine•13m ago
No, it is not.
jacquesm•51m ago
That the model's output is corrupted. See https://aeb.win.tue.nl/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html
baxtr•3m ago
These things are true:

- we don’t understand how LLMs work

- DeepSeek is funded through an state-backed investment fund

- China and the US are sort of adversaries

Isn’t that enough to be cautious at the very least?