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In Leaked Audio, Flock CEO Tells Cops Backlash to the Company Isn't Real

https://www.404media.co/in-leaked-audio-flock-ceo-tells-cops-backlash-to-the-company-isnt-real/
74•Frieren•1h ago

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everdrive•1h ago
Better not prosecute people who cut down the cameras then, since that's part of the non-real backlash.
adjejmxbdjdn•15m ago
True. Such people clearly don’t exist and it’s obviously a company product failure and the company should be paying fines and penalties.
CGMthrowaway•1h ago
As with most antistate issues today, there is a mix of bots/institutional interference (both foreign and domestic), and real people. Both can be true.
CodingJeebus•23m ago
The concern with this is that it gives any company/government/etc. latitude to plant paid protestors or bot traffic in order to undermine opposition with greater efficacy in the AI era. Intelligence agencies have understood this tactic for many years.
slowin•21m ago
Yeah, I don't think so. The backlash is 100% real people. I don't know a single pro-Flock person but I know 100s that want to go take them down.
bko•9m ago
I am a pro-flock real person. I'll get down-voted and likely flagged for saying this so you may believe I don't exist but I do.

Crime has gone down considerably in the last two years.

> The declines were reflected in several of the FBI’s long-term measures. The 2025 robbery rate of 49.4 per 100,000 was the lowest in 20 years, while the rape rate of 36.1 was the lowest since 2012. The murder rate was the lowest in the past 20 years.

I imagine giving police the ability to apprehend violent criminals through technology is driving this reduction in crime. Not a stretch. You can think that this is not worth the tradeoff, but if you think giving police a tool like Flock will not have an impact of apprehension of criminals you have your head in the sand.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/violent-crime-falls-at-hist...

https://www.richardhanania.com/p/flock-mass-surveillance-and...

arjie•6m ago
Supervisor Matt Dorsey in San Francisco is pro-camera-enforcement and I was glad to be able to meet him and thank him for his efforts both for speed cameras and for ALPR in San Francisco. For my part, I'm not wedded to Flock so if people get upset about the brand name, I'm happy if the government uses Axon instead to provide the same outcome. The use of drone policing, ALPR, and speed cameras has substantially improved safety in San Francisco.
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rexpop•1h ago
I'm attending in-person local political organizing meetings and we're all just locals concerned about, among other things, Flock.

I would like to personally register my own homegrown, organic, hard-working American backlash.

verdverm•48m ago
If they installed flock at county board meetings and gov rep town halls, they would know what real people think about their company
BoxwoodSeed•52m ago
Historically it was an easy step going from "these people are not real" to "these people are now dead".
bko•16m ago
What does this mean? Flock CEO will start... killing people?
nilamo•15m ago
More like another reason for cops to mow down protesters. True Citizens would never protest something so obviously beneficial to everyone /s
bko•3m ago
Do cops really "mow down protestors"? The only cases I could find are Renée Good (hit a police officer with her car) and Alex Pretti who was armed at the time and arguably resisting arrest.
atmavatar•14m ago
That's why the dehumanizing title "illegals" exists for immigrants.
arjie•8m ago
That's just some kind of language bifurcation by political affiliation in the US. The right-wing term for immigrants who didn't enter the US through ports with documentation is indeed "illegals", though it seems the word "immigrants" is as pejorative among that crowd. The left-wing term for immigrants, both domestic and international and irrespective of arrival method is "transplant" and is fairly pejorative as well. I don't think "transplant" is any more specifically humanizing.

It's just that documentation-status matters to one, and does not matter to the other.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF•48m ago
"Paid protesters"

Every accusation is a confession. Flock pays for support. They have a marketing department and they tell cops what to tell elected officials to think.

boringg•30m ago
It would be funnier if it was paid protesters that they had paid so that they could say that.
dylan604•7m ago
Can you remind me where I can submit my invoices to get paid for my protests? I must have misplaced my memo
derbOac•44m ago
Clearly a company denying that the public comprises real people with real autonomy should be entrusted with privacy issues.
alexjplant•24m ago
> “I give my wife a lot of credit. She was, like, you should never apologize,” Langley said. “Sure, people make mistakes. I've made a lot of mistakes in the last nine years. I made a lot of mistakes this summer. But we do good work.”

So this guy admits he did things that he shouldn't have then contends that he shouldn't have to say sorry for them? Am I reading this right? Isn't the point of an apology to acknowledge the bad outcome and signal to aggrieved parties that the offender will try avoid repeating the negative behavior? If yes and this guy is refusing to do it then what does that say about his world view?

applebottomjean•11m ago
I mean, it works for the president of the US. I think this attitude is a lot more common than people would like to admit.
ryandvm•8m ago
Well, at least he won't have to apologize to his wife for throwing her under the bus.
pessimizer•21m ago
You can't blame Flock. They're making the very safe bet that cops are very, very stupid and have a lot of xenophobic, conspiratorial theories about crime.

Meanwhile, Flock is in and of itself a conspiracy. The only way to fight (imagined, arbitrary) conspiracies is (of course) to conspire. They won't fight fair, so you can't either.

It's important to mention that mainstream liberals and European radical NATO centrists believe exactly the same thing, just aimed at the people who they're afraid of. Neither side, the social liberal centrists or the anti-social liberal centrists, is going to slow the adoption of Flock at all. Eventually somebody is going to drag out Obama (at significant cost) to defend it in some commencement speech, and he will also blame the Russian Chinese anti-Semitic mullahs, and youthful idealism. To "No Kings" liberals, this will be completely different.

It's a false equivalence, they'll say. Somebody taught them that a few years ago. Then they'll say something about "whataboutism," and finish up by explaining how two things can be true at the same time.

adjejmxbdjdn•10m ago
At least come up with conspiracy theories that cannot be disproved by one of the first 3 links on a simple google search.

https://apnews.com/article/flock-cameras-campaigns-midterms-...

If Josh Shapiro is in favor of a ban in his state it’s pretty clear centrists are not the issue.

rconti•4m ago
> Langley suggested during the session with Rausch that eventually the opposition to Flock will die down: “Whenever this industry finds a highly effective tool, it has to go through this period of intense debate. But then you get on the other side. I think right now we’re not at the bottom, but we’re real, dang, near close to it and about to come back up on the other side.”

So every other law enforcement tool has also been subjected to russian troll farms and eventually the fake furor dies down?

Or is he admitting that those of us who don't stand to make billions off of a private surveillance network are actually the real humans here?

6m ago
Because the rest of the people just don't care about it and understand the technology has been a thing for a long time. You know 100 people that want to take them down but you probably also know 1000 people who don't care and aren't even speaking about it. People just became obsessed with one company, then some agitators sprinkled in a healthy dose of antisemitism plus conspiracies, now you got the public lynching of a company. It's unfortunate.

Don't get me wrong, Flock did have and still has some issues, just like any other company. They've been trying to fix the issues. But, as far as I'm concerned, the positives heavily outweigh the negatives, even though there are rare cases of abuse.

wyre•2m ago
I think its more likely that people don't know about Flock, not that they don't care.
mh-•4m ago
Unless you've been very careful to only surround yourself with people who share your exactly views, you probably do know some. They just don't speak up, because: what's the point debating it with you?

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