While it's limited to cloud (AWS-related) providers, TIL about this, thanks!

Zitadel CEO here :-)

Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.

Happy to share more if interested

Great point, including the CEO reply. I know it's not simple/easy/binary, which is why having a starting list is incredibly helpful! I also search around a lot in other lists, like awesome privacy [1] and awesome self-hosted [2].

[1]: https://github.com/lissy93/awesome-privacy

[2]: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted

Digital Sovereignty for Europeans is impossible with US based companies

1 step at a time until the Americans wake the fuck up

Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. It's not an all-or-nothing. Of course people will continue to use Nvidia, Netflix and so on, but if there are European options then many people prefer that.

It's the global economy. It's actually a good thing to promote peace between people with differences. But when one person or group decides they know better it messes everyone up. The idea was that the global economic interconnection would discourage it, now things are moving towards a no trust environment.

Europe is working towards being independent or at least not so heavy dependent, it's a good thing, but in the long term this idea of isolation for everyone isn't great.

Thanks for the question. I edited the post above to make my intentions (and lack of them in certain political and social aspects) clearer.

Perhaps a better legal framework for privacy (GDPR)?

Privacy: the US has laws that allow security services to access all data of all companies that are in US jurisdiction. Risk management: the US government uses dependency on US companies as leverage to put pressure on other countries. Freedom: the US government published a security strategy that basically declares European liberal democracies as enemies. I like living in a European liberal democracy so I try not to support those who want to take that away with my money.

Regarding chips, the dependency is more distributed (TSMC isn’t in the US), and also somewhat mutual (ASML). Software and services is more one-sided.

Nice!

This is really nice, I appreciate anyone who will give more info out about it, I like the categories too, maybe some more tags would be nice for specifics but it's good. I also like you host in the EU too. I've seen some doing similar that were hosted in the AWS US region.

Wow, this looks really good at a glance and I will take a good look later, thanks!

EDIT: After a deeper look, I found some issues, like there are a lot of seemingly duplicate categories, (AWS [1] and Amazon Web Services [2]), but with different sets of results, which could be solved with normalisation, but then there are many "alternatives" shown that aren't EU-based, but OSS, like Gatsby [3] or NocoDB [4] and I'm not sure what to think. I think that's acceptable, but for OSS there are other lists I'd look into instead of a website/listing like this.

[1]: https://euro-stack.com/alternatives/aws

[2]: https://euro-stack.com/alternatives/amazon-web-services-aws

[3]: https://euro-stack.com/solutions/gatsby

[4]: https://euro-stack.com/solutions/nocodb

Scaleway has cold storage [1], but Hetzner [2] also has quite cheap storage for stuff like backups.

[1] https://www.scaleway.com/en/glacier-cold-storage/ [2] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/

Thanks! I've known about them and have used them to filter and find software, but as you mentioned, it doesn't focus on EU alternatives, so it's a bit more work when I'm focused on that, but they've definitely been useful in the past to me!

There may be a typo in the url, it does not work

Thanks, didn't know about it, will look into it!

Thanks! I'm also a happy Hetzner customer (for 4 or 5 years now?), can vouch for their object and box storage, and cloud VPS. I also already loved learning about euro-stack.com and end up doing the same as you (searching for EU alternative).

wrong thread?

Wrong thread?

Orban is every bit as vile as the present US administration (and they spend a fair bit of time fawning over him).