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Tell HN: don't trust Bigco AI agents with AI research IP

14•botencat•1h ago
I am very paranoid about sharing potential AI research with e.g. Claude [Code] or ChatGPT/Codex.

I believe that any company is essentially a paperclip optimizer that will do whatever it takes to win over competition.

AI companies have access to the IP of millions of AI researchers and AI startups who are in direct competition with them. If they can use this data to squash competition (either competition from the same researchers or from others), I believe that they will use it eventually (if not already), even if they say they won't.

They don't have to blatantly steal it - they can just train on it, or pass "suspicous" chats to human inspectors who might eventually be "inspired" by it in their own research. We saw the first (?) hint of this during the brief Fable release, with Anthropic declaring that they will downgrade model responses regarding "frontier AI" (i.e. anything that competes with them).

From other domains, we know for example that Uber used users' ride data to stiffle competition and regulation. There should be no reason to believe that Bigco AI companies won't do the same.

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KomoD•1h ago
Yeah, I don't have much more to say than that's very reasonable and I agree.
cyanydeez•1h ago
they've already demonstrated they want to protect their AI from people using it for competition, so even if they're not doing it today, if they (AI) think you're a threat, they'll definitely do something, if not steal.
segmondy•55m ago
duh, stating the obvious. unfortunately, most people are too focused on short term gains at the expense of long time costs.
auntienomen•34m ago
More generally, don't trust BigCo AI agents with _any_ IP. They have no incentive not to use your IP as training data.
avaer•32m ago
It should be pretty obvious any frontier AI company worth its salt will steal any and all data it can, by whatever means necessary. They've all been doing it so far. It's a tragedy of the commons.

I wouldn't even limit it to "AI research". They are looking to expand into other areas (see: OpenAI's superapp ambitions), and they will take your other business ideas, research, and code too. If they get caught they will blame it on the AI and lawyer up with more dollars than you.

I think you might be underselling the scope of the problem, and I don't think it's going to be fixed by some person deciding not to call the LLM today.