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The Windows 10 emoji picker has been broken for a month

https://rozab.dev/blog/emoji-search/
41•rozab•3h ago

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mouse_•3h ago
I've noticed, on my LTSC system. Apparently no one uses it?
hasnd•1h ago
Or maybe we’re so used to random things breaking that we don’t give it much thought. I know I wouldn’t.
anonymars•42m ago
Yeah, evidently it's fully broken now, but since it's been flaky as long as it's existed I chalked it up to it having a bad day as usual
Toorkit•1h ago
Any app/website/program/whatever where one might typically use an emoji usually has a button next to the input for selecting one.

So, yeah, I've never needed a dedicated emoji picker myself, even though I've had Rofimoji installed for a while.

hollerith•3h ago
I refuse to provide any help or even sympathy to people who insert emoji into documents.
lasc4r•1h ago
Do you normally associate emojis with creating documents?
jasonthorsness•1h ago
What did the Unicode Consortium ever do to you?
nottorp•1h ago
Everything they could think of.
e40•52m ago
Username is a clue. Pretty hilarious, actually.

Edit: I assume it’s a joke related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card

Y_Y•45m ago
They added loads of skin tones and family types to be "inclusive" but not my skin tone or family type. I spend a lot of time choosing the "gender" of emojis that I neither care about nor can identify the "gender" of. There are too many Japanese things.

Thankfully they did stop global gun violence though.

pxc•31m ago
That's on the authors of emoji pickers. You can always not include skin tone modifiers, or use a stylized emoji font that doesn't show gender or skin color (unless you're on macOS, then shitty rasterized emoji are forced upon you).
toast0•9m ago
> Thankfully they did stop global gun violence though.

I thought this happened outside of Unicode... Apple switched, then everyone else did too. (Microsoft was using a ray gun at the time Apple switched; but Microsoft switched to a depiction of a revolver the day after Apple switched to a water pistol)

handsclean•1h ago
o.O
simonask•1h ago
Why, actually?
xattt•1h ago
It’s the year 2059, and medical charting has been replaced entirely with emojis. Medical training is now completed through TikTok videos. Primary care is delivered in mobile pop-up clinics. Lab results are shared with patients through Instagram stories.
crinkly•1h ago
Yeah I'm with you there. Someone sent out some professional communications to me about a week ago and it was a bullet list where the bullets were emojis. And signed it with a smile.

Just no.

Appears a lot of people write something up then throw it into chatgpt or something to spice it up with the things as well.

coreyh14444•1h ago
While we are complaining about Microsoft and Emoji's -- they need to grow a spine and bring back Emoji Flags. If you weren't aware Microsoft removed all flags to avoid geopolitical backlash over Taiwain, etc.
azinman2•29m ago
So what happens when they need to display a flag?
ralferoo•8m ago
Country flag emojis are actually just specialised glyphs for pairs of characters, taken in pairs to form a country-code. If the system doesn't know how to render a given country code, it will just fallback to displaying the country code (often stylised as white on blue tiles) instead.

More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_indicator_symbol

JohnFen•1h ago
> I’m sure many users don’t know it exists.

I'm one of them! I didn't know it existed until this moment.

mminer237•1h ago
It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag in opening the picker, and—unlike 10 where you could immediately start typing to search—on Windows 11 if you start typing before it's fully open, it just types your search text in the focused window and never opens the emoji picker. It just totally cancels it if you type too fast.
AlexandrB•1h ago
Many such cases. I'm trying to ward off Windows 11 for as long as I can, as I did with Windows 10 before it. Windows 7 is still the peak of "get out of my way and let me get things done" OS from Microsoft.

Edit: The latest attack came in the form of a full-screen system level (covered the taskbar) advert for Windows 11 when I logged in a few weeks ago, complete with all the dark patters we expect from our tech overlords in 2025. Now the windows update status icon also has a constant blue dot on it. Clicking it lets me know I should upgrade to Windows 11 ASAP. Realistically, I'll probably reluctantly switch once Steam stops supporting Windows 10.

anonymars•44m ago
Even with gaming, monitoring the nvidia subreddit around new drivers, it seems like Windows 11 is not nearly as solid. I think there was some MPO (multi-plane overlay) thing that has plagued 24H2 for months?

Also can't avoid mentioning Windows 11 gaming without the middle finger that is discontinuing Windows Mixed Reality and bricking the headsets. Thankfully someone looks to be making a SteamVR driver for it (https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1l65ji8/things_a...), but what a pathetic shame he's doing it on his own time rather than MS paying the pocket change it would have taken to do it

altairprime•24m ago
Which SKU of Windows 10?
pjmlp•1h ago
I bet it is yet another component that has migrated away from UWP/WinUI into Webview2, hence the lag.
AlexandrB•1h ago
Waiting for Windows 12, where the entire UI will run in an electron container.
tempodox•43m ago
Then I’ll wait for Windows 13, where all of it has been rewritten in JS.
andrepd•58m ago
I wish someone would explain to me the rationale of spending time and resources migrating to something to make it worse.
crinkly•55m ago
I spent a good few hours contemplating this over the last couple of years and the only rational answer I can find is that they are, apologies for language, just complete fucking morons.
anonymars•48m ago
Talent pool

How many people are proficient enough in C nowadays to maintain the old shell?

frumplestlatz•27m ago
It’s the world’s most popular desktop operating system. They can afford to hire capable software engineers.
pjmlp•3m ago
As if, see recent offshoring issues with US software delivery.
pjmlp•4m ago
Like the sibling comment points out.

I drank the WinRT Kool Aid between Windows 8, Windows Phone and the clear failure of Project Reunion.

Still I keep myself around, expecially to warn newbies that whatever Microsoft is selling for WinUI, regardless of the shiny cover, the book inside is roten.

Whatever I have learnt from community calls and endless Github discussions, is that most new interns never did Windows development before landing on Windows team.

The calls are available on YouTube, mostly young, puzzled looks when questioned about feature XYZ coming to Windows, not even understanding issues that come from Windows 8 and 8.1 UAP model, that predated UWP, among other possible examples.

I would dare to say they did all their studies in UNIX world, Apple, Google devices, before landing a job at Microsoft.

So Web technologies it is.

Note I am not blaming them, each one gets to learn what they can, how they can.

The blame lies on upper management of a 4 trillion valued company, that isn't able to put in place the resources and learnings, so that the team can actually deliver, as it used to be during the 3x "Developers!" dance.

anonymars•49m ago
> It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag

I think you can pretty much say that about everything in Windows 11. Seeing the XP emulation on the front page yesterday reminded me how grotesquely slow 10 and 11 are. Honestly I wonder if you ran one of the old Windows versions on period hardware how it would compare to now. And then keeping the period hardware but if you swapped to an SSD I bet it would fly. But maybe it's rose-tinted glasses.

Personally I preferred Vista to 7 (7 took away a bunch of nice things). Even as bad as Windows Me was from a stability point of view, it at least added new features. I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything that Windows 11 does better than before.

xnorswap•32m ago
It's not rose tinted glasses, someone on twitter recently did exactly that.

Windows 2000 was snappy. Incredibly so.

I'd try to dig it up but search is so fundamentally broken these days I can't find it.

anonymars•7m ago
Probably this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446933

I definitely thought that was less than two years ago...sigh

That video touches on something else that drives me crazy: the decay of keyboard shortcuts

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All that being said, I will play devil's advocate for at least one modern luxury that I wouldn't want to live without that I can understand makes performance more difficult: per-monitor DPI that can change on the fly.

RedShift1•1h ago
Since Server 2012, some parts of server manager crash if you don't have your keyboard set to a qwerty layout. The bug is still there in later Server versions too.
egeres•1h ago
I have yet to find a suitable alternative for the W10 emoji picker that works on linux. I like to use emojis as color codes for errors etc in some of my scripts and I find them very useful as location markers since a visual element is always faster to be recognized by the eye than pure plain text. This tool is also useful when you use multiple messaging applications because you share the same "most used" emojis panel. It also frustrates me that the W11 emoji picker got downgraded, it's much more limited and has less of a minimalist design (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻
Y_Y•49m ago
You could probably vibe-code one appropriate to your setup in about ten minutes. It's a very simple application. Otherwise use the one from your DE. KDE's isn't bad.
toast0•23m ago
Does it run in wine? Can you hold your nose and ignore the license? (Don't take the cursed build obviously)
Y_Y•51m ago
> I think software engineers often get annoyed by percieved imperfections and inefficiencies in the world. There’s nothing wrong with questioning things, but choosing to believe others are incompetent or malicious is unhealthy.

> I find that when I’m annoyed by things like this and actually dig down into it, the feeling evaporates as I come to appreciate all the complexities and challenges. It’s humbling, and next time I get unreasonably annoyed at something I can remember that feeling, and accept that a lot of things are harder than they seem on the surface.

This was a nice little coda to the article. I agree with the sentiment that it's not worth running your mood over, but in contrast to the author's experience I often find after digging down that imho malice/indifference/negligence is responsible for bad time I end up having.

toast0•51m ago
> What about regression testing, anway?

> My feeling is that Microsoft, and other companies too, have relied far too heavily on their beta testers to identify bugs. They expected problems to be surfaced by telemetry and user reports, which are less effort than actual testing.

Microsoft used to be better at this (although bugs still escaped regularly), but in 2014, they eliminated the software developer in test role, and software developers roles were supposed to make up the difference. IMHO, there has been an obvious slump in quality since then.

Also, the problem with relying on user bug reports, is when it's clear you're not listening to users, users stop providing bug reports. I've been to microsoft user forums and seen long discussion threads where many people have an issue and there's no follow up from Microsoft. When you direct issues to that kind of forum and don't respond there, that's a sign that says you don't care, don't bother to report things.

dwringer•46m ago
On those forums, it's not just that there'd be no follow up; in my experience there'd typically be someone with a username marked as a "Community MVP" who would paste long walls of generic troubleshooting text for 2 or 3 replies insisting that the user go through a long list of steps that usually seem not to resolve anything (or indeed introduce additional variables and problems), often including completely irrelevant suggestions that seem to indicate the user's report was not actually read in its entirety to begin with.
anonymars•39m ago
Don't forget that they need to spend a few sentences in the lede describing that they're a 50x MVP who is happy to help and make sure to upvote the answer because otherwise they won't be a 51x MVP

Like, can I please go back to paying for Windows again so you can afford to not make it such a piece of crap? I know the tech elite always sneered at MS/Windows but trust me, it wasn't this bad.

not_a_bot_4sho•37m ago
> in 2014, they eliminated the software developer in test role, and software developers roles were supposed to make up the difference

Unfortunately, this was a widespread industry trend

AshamedCaptain•40m ago
I would really ask HN about how you manage "feature bits" (like the BugFix_123456::IsEnabled()in TFX ) .

I have worked in huge code bases (think Windows-like huge) with policies like that and thus know the pain very well, but cannot think of solutions around it. Most of the time the complexity grows as the code and related modules have to support both codepaths: you cannot really simplify the architecture even if the "bugfix" branch is really conceptually simpler (as it tends to happen).

There's also no cleanup policy (not to mention that the developers who do the cleanup ,if ever, will just remove the if and not simplify the surrounding code).

toast0•25m ago
IMHO, first it needs to be stated that feature flags are only truly useful when you have a process to change the flags that's faster than deploying a new version of code. I've seen some environments where a flag configuration deployment is the same work as a code deployment, and so why bother.

Also, these things need to be temporary, and you should enforce that somehow. Otherwise, chances are very few permutations are being tested, which makes it hard to use the flexibility you tried to build. Some teams automate this in some fashion... require an expiration date comment, fail the build if it's in past the date, or if you like things spicy, have a bot remove it on expiration.

Sometimes you end up with a feature that's done in your code but waiting for something else and you end up with the behavior disabled for a long time. That's not fun, but it's life.

Otherwise, I like feature flags to live for about one release... Put it in, push the feature, once it works, remove the ability to turn it off. That should be part of the post-release acceptance process.

inshard•37m ago
Moving to windows from ChromeOS or MacOS really makes you notice how many basic UX quality of life improvements Windows simply lacks. From inability to paste tables from PPTs into text input fields but ability to do the same from xlx to having multiple desktops show different active app icons and window where you can’t share a window in a different desktop from a MSTeams call running on a different desktop pane. It’s really impressive how much the business world tolerates their crappy UX in the pretense of trying to work with a serious platform. And don’t get me started on the forced updates and the need to run some crazy VPN UX for security. This is not a serious OS.
wvbdmp•37m ago
The thing has practically never worked for me in the fiest place. Only very few inputs actually receive emojis from it. I have not once been able to use it when I tried. I usually google emojis and just copy them…
ntauthority•34m ago
> because this policy only applies for non-security bugfixes, and almost all patches these days claim to just be security fixes, including the one which introduced this bug

There's numerous feature flags that seem to just be 'MSRC_[id]' (for the Microsoft Security Response Center), and anecdotally looking through Windows 11 a lot of actual bugfixes (various ReFS driver crashes, for example, have feature flag checks around their fixes) are feature-flagged as per usual with both global (for the whole batch of fixes) and per-feature flags, so this is a bit of an incorrect assumption.

Things breaking downlevel is pretty common anyway, and the emoji picker has been in a pretty bad state since the original picker IME (introduced I believe in RS3, ~2017) was replaced with 'Expressive Input' which also allowed adding GIFs and a few other things but relied on a new UI framework that I suspect was tied to an unrelated internal effort culminating in the '10X' product which only got canceled.. right before Windows 11 development started, and therefore pretty much bitrotted.

Windows 10 was left on a fairly 'bad' release, the 'Iron' semester which was used as a baseline for Server 2022 was still like 10 from a UX perspective (10X was only canceled between that and 'Cobalt', where the Sun Valley work which led to the Windows 11 product happened) but had a fair few bugfixes that didn't get backported to 10 'version 2004' ('Vibranium', I believe, as otherwise the codename would've been 'Chromium' which is bad).

fHr•32m ago
oh safety and quality will become much worse, this is just the beginning
andrewmcwatters•11m ago
Microsoft account service logins for 365 are also currently, actively broken for any accounts receiving "Let's keep your account secure. We'll help you set up another way to verify it's you."

You will get stuck in a loop on https://mysignins.microsoft.com/register and never be able to sign in.

It's been months.

I had to tell clients, "Sorry, I can't help you with this Microsoft service because Microsoft's software literally doesn't work."

--

Azure Speech services powering Windows 11 dictation are broken, and have been broken for months.

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I'm pretty sure the people responsible for Windows leadership are asleep at the wheel, or management specifically for the Windows product doesn't explicitly exist anymore, and some service-oriented management is leading Windows development.

The people behind Microsoft authentication are clearly incompetent, too.

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