frontpage.
newsnewestaskshowjobs

Made with ♥ by @iamnishanth

Open Source @Github

fp.

Open in hackernews

Meta hiding $27B in debt using advanced geometry

https://stohl.substack.com/p/exclusive-credit-report-shows-meta
66•FreeQueso•35m ago

Comments

stevesimmons•29m ago
> The Outlook is Superficially Stable, defined here as “By outward appearances stable unless, you know, things happen. Then we’ll downgrade after the shit hits the fan.”
colinbartlett•22m ago
Can anyone comment about how common this (apparently legal) practice is?
rufusdali•13m ago
About as common as breathing.
SpicyLemonZest•3m ago
[delayed]
Gabrys1•22m ago
Just had chatgpt explain this to me. The article is unreadable for me.
Kelteseth•19m ago
Had the same issue. This is what Claude 4.5 Opus gave me:

This is actually a satirical piece, written as a fake credit rating report. It's mocking how Meta (Facebook's parent company) is using a complex financial structure to keep $27 billion in debt off its official books. Here's what's actually happening in plain English: The basic setup:

Meta is building a massive $28 billion data center in Louisiana Instead of borrowing the money directly (which would show up as debt on Meta's financial statements), they created a convoluted structure with multiple shell companies and a partner called Blue Owl Capital

The trick:

On paper, Blue Owl's company "Beignet" owns 80% of the project and borrows the $27 billion But Meta still guarantees all the rent payments, covers cost overruns, and promises to pay if anything goes wrong So economically, it's Meta's debt—they're on the hook for everything—but legally it's structured so it doesn't appear on Meta's balance sheet

Why the author thinks it's absurd:

Meta controls the project, uses the buildings, guarantees all payments, and bears all the real risk The only reason it's "not Meta's debt" is a technicality in accounting rules The author is essentially saying: "This is obviously Meta borrowing $27 billion with extra steps, and everyone pretends otherwise because the rules allow it"

The whole piece is written as if a rating agency is giving this deal an A+ grade while openly admitting the structure is ridiculous—it's a critique of how financial engineering and accounting rules let big companies hide their true debt levels.

typs•9m ago
The Matt Levine article on this financing is more readable: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/mergers-and-acquisitions/matt-...
asah•20m ago
LOL "The entity is named “Beignet,” presumably because “Off-Balance-Sheet Leverage Vehicle No. 5” tested poorly with focus groups."
lathiat•15m ago
This entire thing was a masterpiece I love it.
p4bl0•19m ago
Relevant excerpts to understand what's at play here:

> (…) this is functionally Meta borrowing $27.30 billion for a campus no one else will touch, packaged in legal formality precise enough to satisfy the letter of consolidation rules and absurd enough to insult the spirit.

> The structure maintains a precarious technical separation that, under current interpretations of accounting guidance, allows Meta to keep roughly $27 billion of assets and debt off its own balance sheet while continuing to provide every meaningful form of economic support.

exacube•17m ago
I asked ChatGPT to make this more readable since it's a mix of satire and actual information:

==============

Meta wants to build a huge AI data center campus in Louisiana. It costs about $28–29 billion. Instead of just borrowing the money itself and putting the debt on its own balance sheet, Meta uses a maze of LLCs and contracts to:

- Get $27.3 billion of debt raised by a special company called Beignet Investor LLC (80% owner of the project).

- Keep that debt off Meta’s official balance sheet, even though:

▫ Meta designs the campus,

▫ pays for overruns,

▫ pays the rent,

▫ guarantees the value at the end,

▫ and will basically be the only user.

In real life, this is basically Meta borrowing to build its own data center. On paper, it’s “someone else’s” debt.

Why is this off-balance-sheet?

The accounting rules say you only have to put an entity on your balance sheet if you “control” it and take on most of the risk/benefit.

Meta’s position is: “We don’t control this JV company, even though we do all the important things and take on all the risk.”

The rating agency in the piece is mocking this. They list all the ways Meta obviously controls and supports the project, then say: under current accounting rules, if Meta insists it doesn’t control it, we all politely pretend that’s true. So the $27B debt doesn’t show up on Meta’s balance sheet, even though economically it’s Meta’s problem.

bluGill•9m ago
If the llc declares bankruptcy does meta have to pay the bank for it - or can they buy the assets at fire sale prices?
cm2012•6m ago
Very useful, ty
yellow_lead•15m ago
Unfortunately I didn't find a mention of any mathematical geometry in the article.
totallymike•2m ago
Folks in the comments here begging ChatGPT to teach them how to read
austin-cheney•1m ago
> This treatment is considered acceptable because the people who decide what is acceptable have accepted it.

Wasn't that the root of the 2008 crash? The debt spiral was acceptable because people were making enough money in the present that regulators were powerless to advise against it. In a sane world people often go to jail for decades when doing this at pennies on the dollar.

(Digital) Elbows Up

https://pluralistic.net/2025/11/28/disenshittification-nation/
1•hn_acker•2m ago•0 comments

Lobsters Interview

https://susam.net/my-lobsters-interview.html
1•blenderob•2m ago•0 comments

Useful Black Friday dev resources I came across today

https://github.com/greatfrontend/black-friday-cyber-monday-deals
1•demon1421•5m ago•0 comments

Best URL Shortener – super clean / no ads

https://svwt.cc
4•swiftvault•7m ago•0 comments

The Fat-Tailed Sheep on the First Fleet; Australia's First Sheep

https://www.singletonmills.com/sydney-first-sheep.html
1•Y_Y•7m ago•0 comments

Stellantis Is Spamming Owners' Screens with Pop-Up Ads for New Car Discounts

https://www.thedrive.com/news/stellantis-is-spamming-owners-screens-with-pop-up-ads-for-new-car-d...
2•cf100clunk•7m ago•0 comments

True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

https://github.com/JB-SelfCompany/Tyr
5•basemi•9m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Bodge.app – μFaaS for hacked-together personal tools and small projects

https://bodge.app/
3•azdle•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: An AI powered Welcome Note Generator in Go (Moderation and LLM and UI)

https://github.com/vnaveen-mh/welcome-note-generator
2•vnaveen9296•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: A complete list of free Black Friday audio plugins and sample packs

https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2025/11/28/black-friday-freebies-2025/
1•kkinbpb•10m ago•1 comments

The Pro-Israel Information War

https://www.leefang.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information
12•pbiggar•11m ago•0 comments

Dutch chipmaker Nexperia urges Chinese units to help restore supply chain

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/dutch-chipmaker-nexperia-urges-chinese-units-help-restore-sup...
4•ilamont•14m ago•1 comments

Ask HN: How to Differentiate a General Agent from Manus?

5•bingwu1995•15m ago•1 comments

Travels: Fast framework-agnostic undo/redo powered by mutative JSON patch

https://github.com/mutativejs/travels
6•nateb2022•18m ago•0 comments

Thanksgiving's real drama may be Michael Burry versus Nvidia

https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/27/this-thanksgivings-real-drama-may-be-michael-burry-versus-nvidia/
4•wslh•19m ago•0 comments

Gavle Goat 2025 live stream [video]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P1VOrSoJXnc
1•slater•20m ago•0 comments

Pink Lexical Slime: The Dark Side of Autocorrect

https://www.cyberdemon.org/2017/12/12/pink-lexical-slime.html
3•dmazin•21m ago•1 comments

AI Adoption Rates Starting to Flatten Out

https://www.apolloacademy.com/ai-adoption-rates-starting-to-flatten-out/
26•toomuchtodo•24m ago•4 comments

Artificial Computation

https://cultureandcommunication.org/galloway/artificial-computation
5•vrnvu•24m ago•0 comments

Show HN: HALUD YOUR HORSES – a container system to resist Shai-Hulud NPM attacks

https://github.com/maya-undefined/halud_your_horses
1•neechoop•25m ago•2 comments

Show HN: Research Papers as Memes

https://near.tl/tech
5•QueensGambit•26m ago•1 comments

AI Methodology: Using Encapsulation

https://deadend.dev/posts/ai-agents-and-encapsulation/
3•Dansvidania•27m ago•0 comments

What's the difference between an artist and a creator?

https://www.ystrickler.com/whats-the-difference-between-an-artist-and-a-creator/
6•bookofjoe•27m ago•1 comments

SAM3D-Body with glb export in rerun

https://huggingface.co/spaces/pablovela5620/sam3d-body-rerun
3•pablovelagomez•28m ago•1 comments

Meta hiding $27B in debt using advanced geometry

https://stohl.substack.com/p/exclusive-credit-report-shows-meta
69•FreeQueso•35m ago•17 comments

Stop Calling It Vibe Coding

https://medium.com/@bensantora/stop-calling-it-vibe-coding-ebcee153db3e
1•truelinux1•35m ago•2 comments

Vanishing fish, boiling frogs and the dry bed of the sea

https://improvesomething.today/vanishing-fish-boiling-frogs-the-dry-bed-of-the-sea/
1•surprisetalk•36m ago•0 comments

The Signal Is the Noise

https://www.magazine.dirt.fyi/p/the-signal-is-the-noise
5•surprisetalk•36m ago•0 comments

Looking Back at a Pandemic Simulator

https://www.raphkoster.com/2025/11/16/looking-back-at-a-pandemic-simulator/
10•surprisetalk•36m ago•0 comments

Playtiles: The Pocket-Sized Gaming Platform

https://get.playtil.es
8•surprisetalk•36m ago•0 comments