This struck me the last time I traveled in the UK: they seem to have about 3-4 times as many road signs as the US, to the point where it almost becomes a dangerous distraction. On the other hand, they don’t have the omnipresent billboards and other public advertising that the US has.
As a UK resident this drives me mad. Signs like “Tractors Turning” [1]. Like I’m going to see the sign and not notice the f**king tractor? And also, there’s never a tractor there!
Another classic is “Road liable to flooding” [2]. Reeeeally? Ok, am I drowning? No. Phew… looks like it’s not flooding right now, I’ll make a mental note if I ever come this way again and it’s raining, or I’m struggling to breathe and I can’t work out why.
Signs for occasional happenings that anyone with eyes can see.
Then there’s the speed-camera signs, but no speed cameras.
Or, the classic “mobile speed camera” sign [3]. Fixed. In place. Forever.
Or, the “New Road Layout” sign [4], where the layout will never grow old!
Our street furniture has gone so extreme, there’s no way one could read all of it and concentrate properly on driving and the vast majority of it is utterly useless.
/rant
[1] https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/04/64/50/4645087_4636b9...
[2] https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/resources/images/190...
[3] https://s0.rbk.ru/v6_top_pics/media/img/9/55/754788605175559...
[4] https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0...
Given the number of people using the service, this is incredibly small and I hardly think a sign is going to help the few people at risk!
To me, that seems like a sign where the "let nature sort it out" way of learning is too dangerous to just YOLO it sign-less (despite generally agreeing that we have too many warning signs).
Only ever seen that sign in the US (driving through the Sierras). Never seen a similar UK version. I guess we must have superior bridges ;)
https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/article10291631.ece/ALTERN...
I can't say I ever otherwise felt like the British frequency of road signs was a risk in and of itself, but I suppose it's a matter of what you're used to.
Aesthetic taste varies from culture-to-culture, even individual to individual. Sometimes, minimal and simple is beautiful.
I really thought that the pictures you were posting later were examples of ugly design (when I was glossing over it) and I found out that you were saying that that one looks good to you.
The one on top, the example of your ugly design, has natural beauty: a weathered concrete finish. I prefer that WAYYY more than any of the later examples.
But for me it is in fact a symbolic character of the roughly 20th century that we still suffer from because it sucked all humanity and joy out of everything; including design, art, and beauty itself. That bridge represents the asphalt parking lot of bridges in my mind. Featureless, drab, barren, desolate, soulless, miserable, humanity crushing … the 20th century and its current ripple effects of shell shocked humans lacking any kind of identity, self-respect, or will for survival. It’s the “bare minimum nutrition to prevent by organs from failing” of bridges/design.
At least do the equivalent of showing yourself and brushing your teeth by painting the bridge in some way so you are not constantly reminded that your culture, identity, and self-respect is dead and you have no will for survival.
“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.”
― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Coincidentally, the same applies to a painted mural or whatever finish you are pushing for.
cars.
And while a lot of this can be explained by the requirement to build a lot of things fast, and cheap, even one-off buildings that are supposed to be unique are... just slabs of concrete and/or glass.
I think nowhere is it more evident than in Europe: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1912957880195575980
I don’t want to be attacked by flashy colored buildings all the time.
Once in a while it is cool to have some art or colorful painting.
I have my life to live, children, animals - I want to furnish my home to my taste.
I don’t want to live in self proclaimed “taste critiques” environment.
Every single of those posts “we live in boring landscape, cars are average and not standing out” - feels like those friends that come over for a party and want to show you all the funny YT videos they are amused by - I don’t care I have my own YT vids I am amused by and such people are just annoying not “cool”.
There are other types of decorations than colors, and there are other colors than flashy.
The very first example in the OG article isn't colorful, and is rather beautiful. The link to tweet shows a gray beautiful building.
> I don’t want to live in self proclaimed “taste critiques” environment.
If you are surrounded by ugly things, there's very little space where you can learn and develop taste.
Already you can't imagine any other alternatives than "being surrounded by flashy colored buildings all the time"
Edit: you are not alone. I've seen this "counterpoint" in quite a few conversations. Many people cannot imagine anything beyond "buildings in flashy colors" because that's usually the only alternative the modern world provides. Something like this: https://www.dreamstime.com/new-technologies-construction-mul...
> “Though the word beautification makes the concept sound merely cosmetic, it involves much more: clean water, clean air, clean roadsides, safe waste disposal and preservation of valued old landmarks as well as great parks and wilderness areas. To me…beautification means our total concern for the physical and human quality we pass on to our children and the future.”
[0] https://www.nps.gov/articles/lady-bird-johnson-beautificatio...
> There are any number of ways to build an ugly bridge, but its builders were allowed to make it pretty, and they were right to do that.
There's obviously extremes to this with developers being perfectionists holding up release (I could probably be on the poster for this) but the pendulum can swing the other way too. Sometimes not taking that extra hour or day to do something can cost you many hours and days later on in the future and to my point, sometimes taking that extra hour or day can save you hours or days in the future.
I'm assuming that is just a preference of mine based on how much rarer they are to see? Could be that they tend to be more expensive and have the maintenance baked into the costs?
Good examples in the article of how to make others pretty. I'm assuming cost is almost always the limiting factor. Many "ugly" bridges have a hard time keeping up with required maintenance. Keeping any art clean and maintained is almost certainly not in the budget.
People wildly overestimate the costs of making things nice; penny-wise pound-foolish stuff.
In fact (and it annoys me to no end), people tend to think of expensive infrastructure as a positive trait, not a negative one.
would i rather pay more in taxes for a nicer looking freeway or have it be utilitarian? ehhhhhhh, im unsure.
potato3732842•5h ago
When it comes to indoor capital investments those flat surfaces are easy to clean and they're places that label and storage of ancillary items can be affixed and they reduce wasted space when things are placed adjacent with other things. When it comes to buildings themselves those flat lines lend themselves to ease of laying out the indoor and space. The idea that you have to make things pretty for decision makers reflects how divorced those decision makers are from the daily realities of thing the things they decide (same goes for the peanut gallery).
I'm so sick of listening to people saying they ought to be prettier when doing so has serious tradeoffs. Are they willing to pay for it? Even a couple percent effort adds up when you make it part of your typical decision making. I would rather have 11 ugly widgets than ten pretty widgets.
mcntsh•5h ago
happymellon•5h ago
Although I see grooves or other embellishment on struts in the UK, however they could be so much better.
pixl97•5h ago
mcntsh•5h ago
or, we should try to figure out why building costs so much money. 90% of the current NYC subway system was complete by 1960. in 2017, just 3km of track took 10 years and costed 5 billion dollars.
pixl97•3h ago
There's been a billion studies on this, I suggest you go read them.
One of the bigger ones is property costs over/under the stuff we're building. One of the other ones is community interests in preventing it from happening. This second one is one of the bigger issues. NIMBY can stop you in your tracks, and unless you go full authoritarianism on them, it's not easy to stop. Then add in cost disease and you start seeing there is no simple solution.
Joker_vD•5h ago
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potato3732842•4h ago
pixl97•3h ago
Post WWII USA did it first. The massive expansion of roads and single family housing post war in the US, coupled with the baby boom demanded some of the largest growth in infrastructure seen in the world. We did it fast and cheap and ugly.
You don't need some vast conspiracy of communists saying build it ugly to control the people. You just need lowest contract bidding.
amelius•5h ago
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grumpy-de-sre•4h ago
Also car centric urban design is IMO inherently ugly (limited options for greenery etc).
amelius•3h ago
But we can learn from that and imitate.
potato3732842•4h ago
MichaelGlass•5h ago
Or: maybe there is no large cost trade-off. Do beautiful manhole covers seen all over the world significantly affect the total cost of ownership?
beAbU•4h ago
I'm 100% down with a new paint job every six months. Get a different artist to do it every time. I'll be like driving through a new place every time!
I'm stoked that my local council is paying artists to doll up the ugly concrete faces on sides of buildings. It looks incredible and every one has a story. Sure, in a couple of years the rain and weather will destroy it, but then they get a new one to come for a do-over!
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i80and•4h ago
Kindly don't incorrectly use my home as justification for your beef with beauty.
DiggyJohnson•4h ago
I wouldn’t read it as a “beef with beauty”.
i80and•4h ago
I'm pretty pragmatic in general. I get the argument in the abstract. But having been on both sides, I know which is better.
But more to the point, the parent used a very bad example to make their point.
DiggyJohnson•3h ago
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potato3732842•4h ago
But, the south gets the short end of the stick for non-masonry materials and plant growth. Anywhere shaded harbors mold. Wood rots. So the kind of complex trims and accents you see in for example the northeast are fairly absent in the south.
Unless you're trying to keep colored plastic looking bright the desert is easy mode.