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InventWood is about to mass-produce wood that's stronger than steel

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/12/inventwood-is-about-to-mass-produce-wood-thats-stronger-than-steel/
113•LorenDB•22h ago

Comments

mmooss•11h ago
It matches marketing hype, but they seem to have a timeline of this summer. Does anyone know the drawbacks of this material?

> The result is a material that has 50% more tensile strength than steel with a strength-to-weight ratio that’s 10 times better ...

Maybe torsional, compression, flex, etc. strength isn't so good?

Otherwise, why focus on the construction industry? How about airplanes? Cars and trucks?

apothegm•8h ago
Maybe limitations wrt the shapes it can easily take on? One of steel’s advantages in vehicles is its plasticity. Whereas construction mostly just requires materials that are flat and straight.
achow•3h ago
Out of three material manipulation techniques: Cutting, Joining & Forming, it would fall short on 'Forming'.
JonChesterfield•3h ago
Maybe not - if you steam wood you can bend it lots. The compression part might then be doable with rollers, loosely like forcing extruded steel.
RetroTechie•6h ago
> Otherwise, why focus on the construction industry? How about airplanes? Cars and trucks?

Space elevators!

dsign•2h ago
Those can't be made with beaMs. Must invert concepts and switch a consonant. Suggested course of action is to genetically engineer a tree that directly makes itself of this super-strong wood and grows all the way up there. Tree must come from beaNs.
devoutsalsa•2h ago
There's are wooden escalators...

Stairway to haven: Antwerp’s wooden escalators are among the last in use in the world -- https://www.belganewsagency.eu/stairway-to-haven-antwerps-wo...

How about wooden space escalators?!

Youden•3h ago
A YouTuber reproduced the process: https://youtu.be/CglNRNrMFGM

(The original process is documented in the Nature article: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476)

I suspect the issue with the other use-cases you mentioned is that it's very rigid. It isn't at all ductile or bendable the way steel is. It would either need to be pressed directly into the shape you need during manufacturing or pressed into a large piece of raw stock then subtractively processed to get the shape you need.

Pressing might be economic for standard profiles like beams but it won't be for pieces like the chassis of a car.

To be clear, "pressing" here doesn't just mean a standard hydraulic press, the press also needs to be heated and the wood needs to be held under pressure for a while. You can't just stamp it the way you can with steel panels.

worthless-trash•2h ago
Could you imagine how nice it would be to have the wood pressed into a single panel like like the tesla gigapress. I realise that it would have its drawbacks, but that wood paneling would look sublime.
rafaelmn•1h ago
"How do I make EVs more flammable ?" On the flip side at least when they catch on fire they will probably burn cleaner ?
PaulRobinson•46m ago
Wood actually has some properties that make it desirable in a fire: the charring creates a natural barrier and it doesn't melt meaning it holds structural integrity. This makes it very desirable for building construction, but for cars it means it can act as a fire barrier potentially, and save lives.
vogu66•1h ago
I looked up the numbers in the original paper a little (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476)

I don't know much about materials science, but I had a few classes about it.

Seems like their wood gets ~550 MPa in ultimate strength in tension. Seems like their material is brittle (so it behaves like a spring until it breaks), therefore you probably want a safety margin, because at 550 MPa it breaks. Note the unit is a Force/Area, you can compare materials with the same cross-section. In compression they say it's about 160 MPa in axial load, it can be more or less in the other directions (due to wood having fiber it's not the same in all directions, and there they compress it perpendicular to the fiber so they get one direction stronger than the axial load and one weaker, but I guess for a beam you mostly care about axial strength). Torsion and flexion are directly dependent on compression, shear and tension, didn't find shear. Although I'm not entirely sure how it works for materials that aren't the same in all three directions like steel.

For steel, depends on the steel but a quick search (https://www.steelconstruction.info/Steel_material_properties and https://eurocodeapplied.com/design/en1993/steel-design-prope...) says ~200 to 400 MPa in tension for yield, at which point it starts changing shape instead of behaving like a spring, then 350 to 550 MPa for strength, at which point it breaks. I believe in multiple applications they do go apply forces where the metal bends a bit and adapts to its application, but I'm not sure. Regardless, that would mean the wood in tension is equivalent to very strong (presumably very expensive) steel.

In compression, steel is from 170 to 370 MPa apparently(https://blog.redguard.com/compressive-strength-of-steel, didn't find much else easily because numbers were strange on other sources), so I guess steel would win on that one.

But this is comparing the raw strength. In reinforced concrete, you add the metal for tension resistance, concrete is there to sustain compression, so it wouldn't matter much. For beams, the shape of beams is optimised to resist in the direction it needs (e.g. the H cross-section resists to bending in one direction). But you probably can't do that with their wood (they say for now they are limited in shapes), so you'd need more material, and probably it would be stronger overall since you have more material. Question then is how much material (in weight, compared to steel) do you need (they say 10 times less but it probably doesn't take into account the shape), and how much does it cost?

I'm guessing they could also make composite beams at some points too, with not only wood in them.

Then for mechanical applications, there might be also other things that enter the game. In their paper they needed to coat the wood so it wouldn't swell with humidity. For any application with friction, not great. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more sensitive to friction than metals.

Note that the numbers are from 2018, they may have improved the process.

The_SamminAter•5h ago
From a quick read, this appears to be referring to the same process as was used by NileRed in their video about making bulletproof wood (https://youtu.be/CglNRNrMFGM). It should be interesting to tool around with when it hits store shelves.
jchw•3h ago
That video was my first thought when I heard about this a few days ago. I always wondered how it was possible to make wood this strong yet it seemingly had no use cases. Maybe it's finally about to find some real world use cases.
relyks•3h ago
This is awesome, but will it be cheaper than steel to produce and build with? Will it be cost effective in the long run in terms of maintenance?
pasc1878•3h ago
Does it take less power and other resources to make?
bobthepanda•3h ago
https://www.cesolutionsinc.com/blog/2019/11/20-advantages-cl...

CLT is often faster because you can essentially just prefab it offsite and assemble it significantly faster and with less equipment and specialized workers than reinforced concrete. Steel needs steelworkers, plus concrete takes time to set and cannot be poured in all weather conditions.

While this isn't CLT I would imagine you still get most of the benefits (you can cut it to spec offsite and don't have to do anything special with it when it shows up)

kragen•1h ago
CLT is apparently "cross-laminated timber", which would work as a description of plywood but I'm sure is meant to indicate something different.
Cthulhu_•2h ago
Does it rely on glues, epoxies, or other chemical processes?

It's kind of moot if the resulting product causes more emissions or is not reusable, bio-degradable or at the very least chemically inert, like steel is (citation needed).

If all of that isn't true, it's just aesthetics.

(most of what I know about this is from a video about making bamboo 'wood' products, which involves a lot of glue)

mschild•3h ago
This is not the first article I have read about it. Throughout all of them, though, one main question I still could not find an answer to is: stronger than which steel? HSLA, carbon, rebar?

Other than that, I'm all for it. We're renovating our house currently and made some structural changes. Would've loved to exchange some load-bearing steel beams with wooden ones so we could even leave them exposed as a design element.

tapia•2h ago
You can probably do that already without this material. Glued laminated timber is already a pretty good material for such cases.
mschild•1h ago
Absolutely, its unfortunately just a matter of cost. To get an equally sized wood beam that could support the weight, its almost 5x the price. Even factoring in other materials and labour.
kragen•1h ago
Are you saying that wood is 5× the price of steel, or that glu-lam is 5× the price of wood?
jillesvangurp•1h ago
CLT is not inherently more expensive and the cost difference is typically less dramatic. Steel just has a few centuries of a head start on learning curves, economies of scale, etc. Scaling up usage of CLT would bring down cost just like it has with steel.

The biggest issue actually is that there's a lot of resistance in the construction industry that is simply locked into using steel and concrete and more or less blind to the advantages of wood. Switching materials would mean new tools, new skills, etc. are needed. I have a friend who is active in Germany pushing the use of this material and he talks a lot with companies in this space.

Companies seem to default to doing what they've been doing for a long time without considering alternatives. Many construction projects are actually still one-off projects that don't leverage economies of scale or learnings from previous construction projects. Construction could be a lot cheaper and much less labor intensive than it is today.

CLT could actually make on-site assembly a lot simpler and faster than it is today. Ship pre-fab components created in large scale facilities optimized to manufacture those cost effectively. Assemble on site using simple tools and processes.

Y_Y•30m ago
Not only do we need to ask which steel, we also need to ask which strength. Off the top I my head, if were thinking about contructing buildings, then I'd want to know:

  Compressive strength
  Tensile strength
  Shear strength
  Flexural strength
  Torsional strength
  Impact strength
  Fatigue strength
  Hardness
It would be truly shocking if it had better e.g., tensile strength.
acyclic0•3h ago
Similar, this company builds wind turbine monopiles from wood https://modvion.com/
Gravityloss•3h ago
This is cool. On the other hand, maybe somebody could build a tracker for these technological announcements and things that come out after a few years. Batteries are another fascinating one.

Here's one source of data: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=stronger+than+steel

ars•2h ago
I saw a tip once to do a Google News search on it, add a saved search and let Google email you if anything new comes up. Make sure to use good keywords so you don't get false positive hits on the subject.
LoganDark•1h ago
> On the other hand, maybe somebody could build a tracker for these technological announcements and things that come out after a few years.

I've sort of had the opposite idea in my head for a while (many years): I wish there were a site that only talks about stuff that's already released and available to consumers. I don't want any future promises, I don't want any pre-orders, I don't want any announcements for products that will only come out in months to years, not even supposed scientific advancements that haven't even resulted in any product yet and may never[0]. I want only stuff that's available right now already.

Hearing about future stuff has only ever made me feel worse. I want to just stop hearing about the future altogether. I wish promises and pre-announcements and whatever just didn't exist.

[0]: https://xkcd.com/678

JonChesterfield•3h ago
The process sketch in the linked article is soak wood in some unspecified chemicals for a while then compress it (claimed by a factor of 4). Wood is ~400/500 kg/m3 so taken at face value I guess that gives ~1800kg/m3. Pretty much where carbon fibre falls. I'd expect it to be done at elevated temperature too.

I think I'd expect that to work. It's not going to be better than steel, as steel is amazing for a wide range of reasons, but for something in the domain of marine ply / other engineered timber, sure.

liampulles•3h ago
Wood can be cut to size on site and composed together with nails and screws. Steel can be welded. I wonder what one does with "Superwood"...
senectus1•2h ago
you make pretty structural beams

>Ultimately, InventWood is planning to use wood chips to create structural beams of any dimension that won’t need finishing. “Imagine your I-beams look like this,” Lau said, holding up a sample of Superwood. “They’re beautiful, like walnut, ipe. These are the natural colors. We haven’t stained any of this.”

oulipo•3h ago
Interesting, they mention that it's more carbon-efficient than steel and concrete, but they don't give an estimate of the energy required to produce such material?
kragen•1h ago
Maybe they mean if you make it with solar energy.
Chilinot•2h ago
This seems to be the research behind it: https://www.fpl.fs.usda.gov/documnts/pdf2018/fpl_2018_song00...

And there are only smaller comparisons towards steel. They are more focused on how it compares to regular wood.

In summary, what they are doing: 1. Boil the wood. 2. Press the wood. 3. Done.

kragen•2h ago
Liangbing Hu at UMD, checks out. Fantastic find! This should at least be the top comment on this thread to offset the content-free journalist pablum that's linked.

The strength is 483–587 MPa, I seem to see when skimming, which is indeed superior to ASTM A36 structural steel (250MPa yield strength). In Extended Data Figure 1c, they reported the density as 1.3g/cc, a sixth of the density of steel. (Extended data figure 2f plots density against lignin removal percentage.) Of course high-strength steels are stronger, but not six times stronger.

As for the process, they didn't just boil the wood; they boiled it with lye (2.5M, the "food industry chemical") and sodium sulfite (0.4M, technically also a food industry chemical, used for example as an antioxidant in wine) for 7 hours before densifying it with 5MPa for "about a day", removing optimally 45% of the lignin. This is similar to the sulfite chemical wood pulping process that preceded the Kraft paper process, just carried out at high pH and not taken to completion, so in a sense I guess the result is sort of like Masonite, which is also made from cellulose fibers from wood bonded with the wood's natural lignin.

Environmental concerns may be an obstacle; sulfite pulping is nasty. Also presumably to mass-produce the stuff they'll want to find ways to shorten the cycle time, and maybe already have.

The burning question that arises in my mind is why nobody was doing this in 01890, 135 years ago. Sulfite pulping was going gangbusters, building materials were booming, environmental concerns were largely unknown, and there was a rage for everything newfangled, modern, and "scientific". The scientific discipline of strength of materials, needed to calculate the benefits, was already well developed. Mason put Masonite into mass production in 01929, with a process involving autoclaving wood chips at 2800kPa. So what prevented someone from selling Superwood back then? Did nobody try partial alkaline sulfite pulping and pressing the result?

littlestymaar•1h ago
The antibacterial properties of penicillin had been discovered many times before it was eventually realized what a big deal it was in 1940 (Howard Florey's role is much more important than Flemings' for that reason).

So it's entirely possible that the process was found, and discarded straight away because they didn't realize how cool their invention was.

kragen•1h ago
That's one possibility. Another is that it has a critical drawback; Masonite siding resulted in a massive class-action lawsuit verdict due to moisture damage (though the researchers say Superwood is less vulnerable) and it occurs to me that maybe structural steel's plastic deformation when overloaded as a construction material is somewhat more forgiving than the brittle fracture behavior typical of wood and evident in the photos of their ballistic testing.
littlestymaar•39m ago
That it has a fatal flaw is indeed a possibility, but I don't think it could be the reason why it hasn't been invented sooner: if anything, we are detecting these kinds of flaws way faster than we used to, so it's likely that in the past it would have been produced at scale long before we found the problem, and given that consumer laws were nonexistent back then, it could have been kept on the market long after the flaw had been found, as long as it is economical enough to produce.
permo-w•1h ago
why are you making the choice to place leading zeroes on your years?
C4stor•1h ago
Probably adoption of the "long now" foundation style ?
permo-w•47m ago
I see. a brief google search didn't bring up anything in relation to the leading zero concept, but that helps. at a brief glance, their use of the leading zero seems like ... clever marketing?
C4stor•24m ago
Their home page first sentence states : "The Long Now Foundation is a nonprofit established in 01996 to foster long-term thinking."

So I don't know if the concept is explained in more details elsewhere, but I think it's clearly an integral part of their communication.

permo-w•13m ago
my analysis of it is that it's a way of making people wonder "oh why is he writing it like that?" like I did, lead them to the foundation, and have them engage with it and be aware of it in the future; i.e. marketing. it's quite clearly not a practical thing. the probability that by the time 10000AD rolls around we're still using the same year system, we're still alive as a species, we're still technologically capable as a species, and we don't have the capacity to understand older years minus the leading zero seems near enough zero to be zero. call it what you like, marketing, inspiration, whatever, but it's a sneaky way of leading people's thoughts onto a particular pathway, which I call marketing.

to be clear, having read through their website, I think what they're doing is great, and this isn't a criticism

PaulRobinson•1h ago
He'll have the last laugh when Y10K rolls around...
kilpikaarna•57m ago
I appreciate this quirk as a way to quickly recognize and know to pay extra attention to his invariably top-quality posts.
kragen•35m ago
Aw, thanks!

blushes

cassepipe•1h ago
Total layman but I assumed that lignin was the molecule that was actually making the wood hard ? How does removing it improves hardness ? Why is there an optimal amount ?

As for the reason it wasn't my wild guess would be that they were already mining for coal so it may have been more economical to just dig the ground with quasi-slaves rather than having more competition on the wood resource and waiting for it to boil whereas you can just produce steel bar by the kilometer in a factory.

kragen•1h ago
Removing some lignin allows you to compact the wood more. If you remove too much the wood falls apart when you try to compact it.

I think that your critique of Gilded Age exploitative labor practices is not to the point.

nine_k•1h ago
IIRC wood processed for strength was used in aviation until 1940s, so maybe somehow similar processes were known.

I suspect that the problem us, as usual, in the price. Also possibly with the high anisotropy of the material

happosai•53m ago
Apparently it's not just me who thinks when someone says "food processing chemicals" that "hey, lye is food processing chemical too" - used to industrially peel mandarins. Weaselwording to make things sound benign.
Maarten88•43m ago
> why nobody was doing this in 01890, 135 years ago

Maybe because at that time tropical hardwood was readily available at low cost?

kragen•35m ago
Tropical hardwood is weaker than structural steel rather than twice as strong.
tapia•2h ago
If that is the case, then I don't see any novelty here. This has been done for a long time. In Germany, this is called "Panzerholz" (something like "bulletproof wood")
brador•1h ago
Why isn’t panzerholz wood used everywhere? What is the article missing?
WJW•1h ago
Same reason we don't build bridges out of titanium: panzerholz is more expensive than normal wood, and normal wood is good enough for most applications where it's used.
leoedin•27m ago
The limiting factor in most structural uses of wood is stiffness not strength.

You could build your floor joists out of scaffolding boards, but they'd bend unacceptably.

Stiffness is basically a product of geometry rather than strength. Making your wood stronger doesn't help you if you need it to be stiffer.

kragen•7m ago
As you can see from Figure 3a at the top of the third page of the paper, this densified wood is about ten times the stiffness of natural wood, in the sense of Young's modulus. Stiffness is basically the product of Young's modulus and geometry, not geometry alone.
dotancohen•2m ago
Does it remain so stiff for decades, as would be needed in construction? Many wood treatments' effectiveness fades after time.
meindnoch•1h ago
Yes, but Panzerholz is plywood. They seem to be doing the same, but with bulk timber.
nic547•52m ago
Modern Panzerholz (Kunstharzpressholz, 'synthetic resin densified wood') is manufactured with resin - this new material doesn't seem to rely on resin, but only on the cellulose contained in the wood.
enopod_•1h ago
This seems to be the original research paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476 [edit: whoops, it's the same paper]

"First, natural wood blocks were immersed in a boiling aqueous solution of mixed 2.5 M NaOH and 0.4 M Na2SO3 for 7 h, followed by immersion in boiling deionized water several times to remove the chemicals. Next, the wood blocks were pressed at 100 °C under a pressure of about 5 MPa for about 1 day to obtain the densified wood"

Pretty simple and straightforward.

moffkalast•8m ago
That seems to really only provide benefits in use cases where weight isn't an issue, since this is conceptually just taking out air and adding more wood into the same amount of space to increase strength.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but almost all use cases for wood rely on it to be somewhat light, for which the lattice structure is already fairly ideal.

kragen•6m ago
No, density is doubled, but strength is increased 11×, according to the paper. Sandwich panels with strong, stiff face sheets will always beat relatively homogeneous material like natural wood for the kinds of applications you are talking about.
eigart•2h ago
If this could save material used for construction, that would be great!

Maybe (touring) skis could be a good application for this? Would be fun if somebody tried it.

TomWhitwell•2h ago
Seems like a larger format version of Lignilock wooden nails https://www.beck-fastening.com/en/innovation/lignoloc
Daub•33m ago
When I lived on a farm in wales, we would occasionally discover in our fields something called bog oak. This was trunks of oak placed in the ground by ancient farmers to drain a field. Over the centuries this had become semi-fossilized and in the process had become very strong. From high quality bog oak, it is possible to make wooden rings as strong as metal. Our bog oak was not so good (I tried) but certainly good enough for super strong dowels and suchlike.
sverhagen•2h ago
Anyone can comment on this? Just reading this article, and not bothered by any relevant knowledge here, I'm scared that they're turning "harmless" wood into some sort of super product that is hard to break down later for recycling? Like how we did a nice job switching from Styrofoam to paper cups, except they now have a plastic liner that makes the paper hard or impossible to recycle? Or how I wonder what the city recycling is going to do with those "wooden" kitchen cabinets that I dropped off, that are completely covered in a plastic finish?
Arn_Thor•2h ago
Not sure the point is to recycle it but rather to have a more carbon friendly alternative to steel. It would also have the benefit of making us less reliant on steel in places where wood supply is ample.
nandomrumber•2h ago
It's entirely possibly to make steel with an electric arc furnace powered by your choice of energy input.

And steel is 100% recyclable, indefinitely.

Hard to beat.

jdblair•1h ago
“your choice of energy input” is carrying a lot of weight in your statement. producing steel from iron ore is extremely energy intensive. it’s true that once produced, recycling steel is less expensive.

but steel doesn’t store carbon (except the small carbon input used to turn iron to steel)

wood, on the other hand, is a carbon sink.

KSteffensen•1h ago
Remember to factor in all the trees that will need to be cut down in order to provide the wood.

Of course, over time we can increase the amount of industrial forest, but that will take 40-50 years.

tc4v•1h ago
actually recycling steel is not 100% lossless in that everytime you decrease purity which leads to a point where the still can only be used in low grade products. building materials is usually one of the low tiers though.
kragen•1h ago
Iron ore is contaminated with all sorts of crap, far worse than scrap steel. If what you are saying were true, it would be impossible to make high-grade steel from iron ore.
manarth•1h ago
Impossible in an electric furnace (which could be powered by renewable sources).

Virgin steel requires the higher temperatures of a coke-fed blast furnace.

kragen•1h ago
It does require a reducing gas such as the CO produced by coke, but an electric arc furnace can of course reach higher temperatures.
permo-w•54m ago
then again we have hundreds of years of economies of scale in place for that process, and (presumably) far less for repurifying steel. I'm not saying it's not possible, of course it's not, but is it financially viable with current infrastructure? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know anything about this.
kragen•36m ago
I'm no expert either but I think you can use the same process, though most steel recycling is instead done more cheaply done in EAFs.
Arn_Thor•6m ago
Sure but the infrastructure required to do that is probably (my guess) more extensive than a wood press and some chemicals
sverhagen•2h ago
The article cites them on the carbon impact, as if to say it's an environmentally more-sustainable option. And the reduced carbon impact is great, but I'm sure it's not the only factor to consider in the overall sustainability and my attention was drawn to the ability to recycle, since we (not you, but certainly _me_) are being lulled into thinking that it's "just wood".
robertlagrant•1h ago
Well, as they say, "Perfect is the enemy of wood".
CalRobert•1h ago
I suppose if it doesn't decompose that makes it a decent option for Carbon sequestration. That might actually be better in a strange way than if it did break down.
iLoveOncall•2h ago
It's probably the same process as this video on making bulletproof wood: https://youtu.be/CglNRNrMFGM?si=hfDKE33s7YlB1e9L

Compress the wood and then inject it with resin to stabilize it. Effectively it's only very partially wood and more resin at the end.

After double checking, the video references the science paper from the article, so yes, it's 100% the same process.

gnfargbl•1h ago
Where in that video do you see the injection of resin mentioned? I didn't immediately see that step from skipping through, and it's not mentioned in the abstract of the paper.
bigtones•58m ago
Yeah, just watched that very entertaining video and there is no resin in that bulletproof wood - it's just had all the lignin squeezed out and cooked under pressure.
iLoveOncall•34m ago
Yeah my bad I confused it with another one of his videos.
kragen•1h ago
No, this process doesn't involve adding any resin or other binders. The result is still entirely wood.
gnfargbl•1h ago
If you follow the link from the article [1], then there's an abstract that describes the process. It sounds like they boil the wood with sodium hydroxide and sodium sulphite, then heat and compress the wood, which somehow leads to better alignment (and/or linking?) of the cellulose polymers.

I don't know what the implications are for recyclability, but there's no mention of injecting other materials so perhaps it decomposes in a similar way to ordinary wood?

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476

birksherty•1h ago
In addition to recycle issue, paper cups also have PFAs that goes to our bodies.
rubzah•1h ago
The pressure treated wood used for railway lines is already damned near impossible to get rid of.
jagged-chisel•1h ago
My understanding is that wood isn’t only pressure treated, but also soaked in chemicals that bugs and decomposers don’t like to eat.
coolcase•56m ago
Your fence probably has chemicals like that too.
permo-w•52m ago
then the carbon trapped in that wood is staying there for much longer than it would otherwise
archi42•6m ago
That's true, at least around here [Germany]. Plus the nasty stuff might leak into the environment over the decades, and it's a pain to dispose of.

IIUC, they replace them with plastics since the plastic is seemingly more ecologically friendly and easier to recycle.

Mind concrete sleepers are what's used these days. You'll find wood only in shunting or cargo yards.

Source: I randomly met someone involved with that project. A proper train enthusiast can probably elaborate here, but I think I remember the core idea correctly. Also this obviously doesn't necessarily hold globally, though I can imagine many track operators face similar challenges.

LeonM•17m ago
Depends a bit on the country and era of the sleepers ('ties' in US), but traditional wooden sleepers are treated with creosote [0], which is tar/oil impregnation.

I'm no expert on this subject by any means, but I happen to volunteer at a museum where we have steam trains running. We build our tracks to look traditional, so we use wooden sleepers and no ballast. Most of our sleepers are donated from the commercial railroad companies, typically they are old stock but we also receive used ones occasionally. In my part of the world wooden sleepers aren't common anymore, so it's getting harder to find usable ones. This is a concern for us, as apaearantly there aren't any suppliers left in our part of the world for new ones. At our museum they typically last for about 15 years, mainly because we place our sleepers directly on the soil (no balast). The tar/oils will eventually dry out and the wood will just rot/decompose naturally. Wooden sleepers are considered chemical waste in my part of the world, though I do believe we are allowed to let them decompose fully as biomatter, which goes quite quick if in contact with moist soil. Though we typically dispose our used sleepers at a specialized waste facility, I'm not sure how they process it there.

Oh, and in case you are wondering: no, they don't burn, so we can't use them as firewoord for our steam engines ;-)

Appearantly in the USA, at least as of 2008, around 90% of all track was still using wood [1]. I didn't expect that. For most of the world we have used concrete sleepers for a long time already. Plastic sleepers are also common nowadays, which are typically made from recycled materials.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creosote [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_tie

jillesvangurp•1h ago
Cross Laminated Timber (CLT), which I assume this is closely related to, is being used in construction more often now. It's much lighter and stronger than steel, easier to work with, holds up well in a fire because it doesn't go soft and loses structural integrity like steel does. And while wood of course can be burned, the char layer that forms on the outside protects the inside so it actually has some safety properties that buy people time when there is a fire. Also, wood is an excellent insulator.

Laminated timber is also very construction-friendly. It can be worked with simple tools, and CNC machines allow for prefab components to be shipped to the site and assembled quickly with minimal fuss.

There are some plans for high rise construction with this material. E.g. there is a plan for a skyscraper in Tokyo (350 meters, 70 floors).

The adhesives used in laminated timber aren’t perfect. They’re very durable, which is great for structural integrity. But it also means the material breaks down more slowly in a landfill (if you decide not to recycle the material for some reason). However, newer adhesives used for this these days are less toxic and not that harmful in a landfill. And importantly, most of the material is actually just wood, not glue.

cousin_it•16m ago
(I know nothing about this)

Is it possible to make smaller scale CLT, with thinner boards or something, and build like cars or airplanes out of it?

nikolay•2h ago
Metals could be molded unlike wood.
LoganDark•1h ago
Wood can be pressed
a1371•2h ago
My local forestery product association already claims that per unit of weight, wood is stronger than steel. We are seeing taller and taller high rises going up with mass timber.

The idea here holds merit and has been attempted before. The video below is a great watch about "bulletproof wood".

This company however is using it for the facade of the building not the structure, which is kind of a yellow flag. Many fancy headquarter buildings are after some novelty to show off. Facade is not a reliable market unless they can somehow integrate their wood into curtain wall systems and other high wind load applications.

https://youtu.be/CglNRNrMFGM?si=LhVQnWZfMyw_wssH

rob74•2h ago
I assume that their first product is for facades because it was easier to get an approval for it? But eventually they want to expand into structural elements too.
Hilift•46m ago
Ipe (Brazilian Walnut or Ironwood) has excellent resistance to penetration for standard lead rounds. It's super-dense and fire resistant. The process for InventWood seems like it is re-creating something similar.

Ipe is actually not attractive for exterior structures. The wood is so dense, stains don't penetrate. Many let it age to a grey/brown patina with annual cleaning and sanding. Inventwood would be a better alternative for exterior work if they have coloring options during the manufacturing process. For Ipe, staining is expensive and time consuming due to it has to be stained like cabinetry, with two passes.

LoganDark•1h ago
Is there any statement on the resistance of this treated wood to dry rot? It's cool that it's stronger, but if I were say building a house out of this stuff, I would want to know if it's more difficult for fungus to break it down.
webprofusion•1h ago
Cool. Conventional hardwoods can be pretty unfriendly to wood working tools, I wonder what the requirements are for cutting and drilling this stuff.
55555•1h ago
I dated a girl who did this as a science project in high school a decade ago. This has been around for decades. Does anyone know why it is not actually used?
meindnoch•1h ago
Define "stronger"
rishflab•1h ago
does anyone know if densified wood can be used as exterior cladding? Does it handle moisture/sun etc well?
sebstefan•35m ago
If I remember correctly these things bend under compression in a brittle way