Kotlin-Lsp: Kotlin Language Server and Plugin for Visual Studio Code

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flykespice•2h ago

It's great jetbrains finally taking some babysteps to support an official language server for VSCode after some great resilience from them.

I know it's a difficult spot because such effort will also indirectly compete with their main product which is an IDE, so I'm not very optimistic it'll last.

lucasyvas•2h ago

Does Fleet not use LSP?

yonatan8070•1h ago

Considering how non-mature this LSP server is, probably not, Fleet probably uses whatever internal protocols JetBrains use inside their IDEs

someothherguyy•41m ago

> Backend – a headless service that does the heavy lifting: indexing, static analysis, advanced search, navigation, and the like. Every such operation is initiated by a request from the workspace, which then processes the response and dispatches the data to the components that require it.

> As a backend, you can use a headless IntelliJ IDEA or a language server.

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/fleet/architecture-overview.h...

mohamez•1h ago

>I know it's a difficult spot because such effort will also indirectly compete with their main product which is an IDE, so I'm not very optimistic it'll last.

I would say this if this step was taking early while Kotlin is still a new language in the market, but I think their late decision to develop an official LSP for Kotlin is because of reasons you just mentioned, but maybe they changed their minds because they saw other benifits including a wide adoption of Kotlin.

wiseowise•1h ago

It also helped that whenever JB posted a Kotlin questionnaire there would be dozens of people asking “LSP?”.

sureglymop•1h ago

This is good, glad they're realizing this is needed.

wiseowise•1h ago

Jesus Christ, finally!

directstar2•1h ago

I wonder what triggered the sudden change of mind.

They have been pretty firm on wanting keeping it closed for the purpose of giving an edge to the Jetbrain IDE's

wiseowise•1h ago

Kotlin adoption has been stagnating recently (subjectively) and VSCode + forks have massive market share.

It was extremely shortsighted to think that a single language would sway people to IntelliJ instead of just limiting Kotlin’s growth.

mohamez•1h ago

One of the reasons might be that they realized that the absense of an official LSP for Kotlin will hinder its wide adoption by new developers who want to try Kotlin but don't want to move away from their favorite IDEs.

TheWiggles•1h ago

Supposedly Kotlin usage has gone down a little bit in the last TIOBE Index. So I think they are trying to get Kotlin usage up.

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

xolve•41m ago

Most LLM based code-gen are VSCode forks. This reason would have certainly been on the list.

travisgriggs•1h ago

I think it’s admirable that there’s a generic language server for Kotlin. Others, such as zed can benefit from this as well.

That said, I would much rather use AndroidStudio for Kotlin. Hands down. I use VSCode only when I can’t find something better. I recently switched my Elixir dev to Zed and am happy with that. Pretty much only thing I choose to use VSCode for these days is my ansible setups. Otherwise:

- Pycharm -> Python

- Xcode -> Swift

- Android Studio -> Kotlin

- Zed for Elixir/Phoenix

- Nova for embedded C code

- vim for scripts and quick edits of any of the above

VSCode for everything is like using a multitool to do woodworking in a garage. When you’re hiking or on a trip, a lightweight do it all tool has advantages. But I think it’s important to remember what IDE stands for.

ashikns•1h ago

On a different perspective, I love that VS Code supports so many things. As full stack dev I have to work with Python/TypeScript/C# interchangeably, often in the same project. I can easily switch between projects with the same editor window, and I get to use the same keybinds.

someothherguyy•1h ago

That is nice, but not much different from jetbrains IDEs that can do this as well?

The issue with the VSCode ecosystem is that extensions can conflict, die, etc, and that is very annoying when setting up environments takes a long time, IMO.

wiseowise•1h ago

Such as IntelliJ Ultimate that doesn’t have C++ integration, or CLion that can’t have Ruby integration or dozens of other combinations that happen in the field but not possible in IntelliJ.

Truly not that different from IntelliJ!

someothherguyy•1h ago

Neither does VSCode. They are extensions, which are analogous to plugins in the JetBrains ecosystem. Although, it seems like there used to be way more plugin authors for language support pre-vscode/atom/sublime-text.

You can use the JetBrains launcher to switch between projects in another JetBrains IDE though. Also, I think you can do single window mode in Ultimate to do a lot.

wiseowise•54m ago

I can combine every possible language on earth that has LSP in one VSCode instance. You can’t do that in IntelliJ.

someothherguyy•52m ago

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/language-server-...

suby•17m ago

I've been using CLion since 2017. I recently switched from CLion to Helix, and one of the refreshing things about this has been that I'm now in an editor that can seamlessly handle every language or text file type. I think switching between editors was slowing me down and causing friction.

With Jetbrains, while there are plugins for other languages, it's hit and miss in my experience. Managing multiple IDE's was simply annoying, even things such as ensuring your settings are synced across everything was an issue. A different editor per language feels like a decision made for business needs and not user needs.

Which isn't to say that their IDE's are bad or anything, they are good. But they would be a lot better if they didn't take their product and split it up for each mainstream language.

pjmlp•1h ago

Are they going to kill it in one year, as they did with the Eclipse plugin, after going big on Android?

mdaniel•59m ago

> Currently, the LSP implementation is partially closed-source

What. the. fuck.

So, it's Apache 2 for the TypeScript, seems to ship an Apache 2 copy of IntelliJ (just like any Java language server), but smuggles some kind of binary. They truly have lost their way

satoru42•48m ago

Got the following error when trying to install it on Cursor:

> Error: Unable to install extension 'jetbrains.kotlin' as it is not compatible with VS Code '1.96.2'.

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