Sounds like an interesting book but the article says remarkably little.
I enjoyed the summary and highlights, and learnt about some details I would likely have never otherwise seen, so I think it's just the framing that seemed 'off'.
Depending on your intent consider reframing or adding critique, but I think the content is good and I appreciate you making it.
[edit] There is some critique and comparison in the opening: "Shakespearean tragedy" and "The result is equal parts invention history, boardroom knife-fight, and forensic accounting thriller." but I think these are the only ones. I would love to know why you think this, and what you like about your "favorite ideas" (and any things you didn't like!)
I agree that it's more of a "key takeaways" than a critical review but I appreciated that the author didn't make it about themself.
Based on your attitude I know I’m safe to note something, something potentially all but irrelevant in the coming years: as soon as I saw the artwork I did a reverse image search and concluded it was likely generated.
I am unable to articulate exactly why, but it seemed to take away from the piece. Weird huh? (non sarcastic)
This does have me thinking more about what causes things to look AI-generated. The uncanny valley effect. It seems like some people don't like the header image but I thought that was a nice touch to have a visual element.
What's ironic is I normally use ChatGPT but they have a bug that caused my account to be downgraded so I didn't have my "normal" AI tool today.
A friend of mine recently used an LLM to help write a condolence card, and I found that appalling.
Who I am as a person is the sum of my experiences, and I'm not even talking about the great cornerstones but random stuff. Like that one time I accidentally still had our cordless house phone in my pocket as a kid when I went to play in the woods and lost it there. There are thousands of these little things, and it's what makes you unique and influences how you talk and think. I am saddened by the thought of "not using AI will be like not using a word processor soon". It will grind away all the little weirdness, all the little unique aspects. I would have loved to read "apotheosis". I didn't even know that word!
I understand that fear of the sea of lowest common denominator. My hope is that it will help us create even better writing, music, etc. and appreciate it even more.
The apparently-AI artwork doesn't help. From some googling it appears to be a direct rip-off of this: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/the-great-amer...
There really should be a way to credit the original source image without being compelled to actually use it. The image in the article isn't a "rip off," but it is a derivative work made without permission, and the law doesn't currently make a distinction AFAIK.
Government publications target 6-8th grade.
Look for New York Times articles published in the 1960s or 70s and compare them to today… it’s pretty jarring. They targeted a 12th grade reading levels at that time.
Just like how human beings choose different ways of presenting themselves to the world (e.g. masculine/feminine, gay/straight, goth/punk/preppy) as a form of social signaling, today's LLMs emit a certain "I'm AI" signal that humans pick up on, and human writers will likely have to continue evolving the counter-position(s) to that signal.
If the results of relatively simple, unsophisticated prompts get better at passing for human-written articles/blog posts/forum comments/etc, that'll increase the fraction of human writing that falls into this uncanny valley, and exacerbate the need for stronger counter-positioning over time.
Light Out by Gryta and Mann follow up by focusing on the Immelt years and how he tried to keep the ball rolling despite the hole that Jack left him in. Also an excellent read.
Sounds like Power Failure covers a lot of the same material as these two earlier books perhaps with some historical material.
The parts about Boeing in that book are... rough. Not rough as in "poorly-written" but rough as in "holy hell is that ever a brutal way to ruin a good company". Excellent book but lol it's not a feel-good read :)
e.g. safety-critical nuts and bolts used to be produced down the street, now you get a few nuts from say Thailand and a few bolts from Malaysia… the critics complained it was certain to lead to problems.
Was that a part of what you read about in that book?
... while new people (albeit not execs) from McDonnell-Douglas were publishing internal memos about how MD has experience on why the actions taken by Boeing (not MD!) CEO will cause problems.
Many people have tried to run the same playbook with some success, but Welch had unique resources that let him continue the game far longer than anyone else.
As an aside, Gelles publisher made him add a hopeful last chapter on the social benefit corporate movement and the few corps that were able to resist welchism just so the book wouldn’t leave the reader feeling hopeless!
However it is important to recall that the people who actually made all the money extracting the wealth got out years before, retiring and/or selling stock. They're bystanders now and probably happy to run the whole operation again.
Although as an aside who these people are who think corporate pensions are a good idea is beyond me. People really should be in charge of their own savings in preference to their employer, expecting some random corporation to cover the cost was always a bit crazy even when it seemed sort-of possible that the system was stable. It is easy to have some sympathy but, as a practical matter, it was never going to work and it isn't a surprise that it didn't.
The arrangement where the _company_ controls the account seems to me to be more of a allowed delay in salary payout, to the benefit of the company, than a retirement account for the employee.
None of the responsibility, all the moral hazard.
In modern times, retirement is pretty much exclusively through private investment accounts (401k and similar) into which your company may directly deposit funds. Nowadays it'd be a crazy risk to pin your retirement 100% on a single company. The company could fail, raid the pension fund, or just decide to not pay anymore. All those things happened and that's why we use private investment accounts now.
There are still some traditional pension plans, notably the US postal service. But they're very rare now.
Defined contribution is a much less risky retirement scheme.
And therein lies the problem with modern society. Whether you're an MBA wrecking a company or a voter wrecking the local economy there is no mechanism for the people who you've wronged to get at you so there's no incentive not to behave that way.
After several iterations of this pattern throughout our history (other examples are the Leninist/Stalinist purges or the McCarthy era), perhaps it is time we seek a better path—one that doesn’t end up written in the darker pages of our history books.
First is the megarich, then is the wealthy, and then its the baker and then it´s you... barely doing better than them.
Of course, the goal should be to turn undisciplined people into disciplined ones over time.
They hear of possible returns like 10-15% and shrug and look at bear markets as harmful to their wealth.
Really an education issue but it is complicated. Stuffing money in a mutual fund is risky and also not an option if you are behind. A lot of people are behind.
Ignore the practicalities and look at the story.
They're a promise that someone stronger than you will provide for you in your old age.
(As an individual investor, I do often wonder what sort of bargains and better investment options I miss out on that investing together with two or three friends with similar retirement goals could gain me by investing together as a team. I realize that's the point of hedge funds/mutual funds, but today's hedge funds/mutual funds themselves have tiered fee structure pools based in staked investment and it never feels like an even playing field if I'm trying to manage my own investments even with the competition between hedge funds/mutual funds today.)
I'd love to see an explanation of what went wrong from those guys.
I worked for GE for a couple of years. They are a conglomerate. They acquired other companies. I worked for a company where GE was the largest customer, and GE acquired it. If a company started to perform poorly, it wouldn't be long before it would either be sold or split apart. The company I was working at probably would have failed anyway due to rapid competition, but since GE used a lot of its products it was sort of a no brainer until an alternative was found.
Acquiring and sunsetting companies is not uncommon now, but back then it wasn't received well and backlash accumulated over time. They had/have a huge part of the jet engine market. Due to their size and executive connections, they were capable of landing large contracts, such as defense and aerospace.
They aren't successful if compared to Meta for example, that nets $70 billion per year.
GE acquired the power grid component of Alstom, a French company in 2014. That company was previously fined by the US DOJ for $772 million for FCPA violations (bribes). (This was back in the US World Police days).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom#Judicial_investigations
The Me262 was the first operational jet fighter, again with Ohain's engine.
I think "Ohain's engine concept" would be more correct.
Ohain worked at Heinkel and developed the HeS 011 engine. However, the Me 262 was equipped with the Junkers Jumo 004, which was based on Ohain's design, but developed without him. The first test flights were actually done in 1942 with two BMW Typ P 3302 turbines (later called BMW 003).
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/ww2/projects...
I enjoyed flying on the Viscount. It offered a much nicer passenger experience than the current crop of sardine cans.
Decades later I got in a lot of time flying the simulator that Air Canada donated to a tech school.
http://www.vickersviscount.net/Pages_Technical/Rolls-RoyceDa...
I’m not even sure there’s a counterfactual world where GE is a $m trillion business: The global economy has largely evolved beyond these massive, diverse conglomerates, and likely all to the good.
What does a “wow, GE really has been managed wonderfully since 1980” story even look like? I imagine they split up much earlier, each spinoff establishes their own brand, and there’s no “GE” to talk about.
Problem is usually these spin-offs happen because it becomes clear the parent org has been doing something nasty that's going to create tons of legal liability, and the spin-off is really protecting the parent from lawsuits.
DuPont is in the news recently with how they did this with PFAS pollution. Sure, sue the "PFAS company" into oblivion, but thankfully the PFAS polluter is no longer DuPont or DuPont investors. Not DuPont's problem that Teflon pan sales can't make up for the costs of all the associated environmental cleanup.
This happens frequently with pharma companies when internal testing shows there might be some long-term side-effects before it becomes clear in public studies. I think I remember hearing this playbook was used with asbestos back in the day.
Growing up in an area with a big presence (one of their division HQ), I did alot of early career business with them. They were shady everything was purchased with weird leasing agreements with themselves, etc.
The business strategy was good, but the demands to return growth powered by financial engineering ultimately killed the company.
It's not likely to pop 800% tomorrow, but it's more likely to produce reliable long-term value because it's pre-diversified.
For some reason, the Asian kerietsu/chaebol conglomerates seem to be able to handle it well. Nobody would deny Hyundai or Sony being hugely successful as conglomerates.
God that’s insufferable, even by Jack Welch’s standards.
My parents view pensions as gold standard. That it cannot be messed with and clearly this article shows that it can. The promise for your years of service can't be paid out.
Now something you believed would allow you to not worry until your passing, perhaps leave a small something to your children, won't be. Instead, you're beginning to worry about how you'll make ends meet in a few years with all the rising prices.
It is another one of those core metrics, even if a lagging one, that should be used to evaluate whether government has failed; the delta between how secure someone would currently be if they had just invested all the pension/social security money that was stolen/defrauded from them.
Most of our governments would be exposed as the failed governments they are.
These bailouts -- and the decisions if a pension fund should be forcibly closed -- are political in nature. For example, Biden bailing out the Teamsters pension fund (https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statement...) or the decision by congress to ignore the fact that CalPERS has continuously below the 80% recommended funding for non-governmental pensions putting a 1.7T time bomb in play.
In essence, government is failing to play one of its more essential roles of regulator.
Defined benefit plans rely on the firm to correctly manage their pension plan, allocate funds for it, invest them wisely etc. In public sector there is political pressure to reduce forecast costs of a defined benefit pension. In many places it's completely legal to operate an underfunded defined benefit plan. Defined benefit plans are also traditionally fixed to a single employer, they don't fit well for a more mobile labor force.
For defined contribution plans individuals actually have control of the pension funds - they are just locked from access til retirement. They are generally government run, you aren't locked to a single employer. Individuals can set their own risk appetite and make their own decisions regarding fees etc.
Defined benefit plans are really popular because the pension amount is "guaranteed" but this guarantee is just an illusion. You can't magically make risk go away, just move it somewhere else. Many examples of defined benefit plans that blew up/were restructured/cancelled etc. Defined benefit is just a plain bad concept.
Defined contribution plans in the USA typically have an extremely small contribution by the employer. Works out great for the employer. Doesn’t work out so great for lower wage earners as they struggle to fund the plan.
Maybe they can work well with proper oversight, but the status quo for the majority of defined benefit plans is to be mismanaged and underfunded. See the role (union negotiated) defined benefit plans had in the US auto industry collapse. 60 out of the 100 largest corporate defined benefit plans in the US are underfunded, more than half! Chart in that article shows that 40% being funded is actually unusually high, historical trend is 15-20% of plans meeting funding levels. https://www.wsj.com/articles/companies-u-s-pension-plans-are...
Funding a defined benefit plan for lower wage workers vs paying lower wage workers more and contributing more to a defined contribution plan has exactly the same costs on the employer side. The only way the defined benefit plan appears to work out better for both parties is because we have legalized the employer not funding these plans to the appropriate level and hanging the supposed beneficiaries of the plan out to dry when it goes south.
Even ignoring the rampant underfunding issues defined benefit plans are a classic example of the principle agent problem where the interests/risk appetite of the fund manager and the fund members don't line up perfectly.
Note that all three of those are subject to democratic capture, in which low-information voters enable the pension managers to make poor risk and actuarial decisions. Of course, a defined-contribution plan is also subject to low-information control, but at least the damage is confined to the one making the mistake, not to those unwillingly along for the ride.
I understand that defined-contribution plans must offer similar terms to both executives and regular employees, specifically to help ensure that they are fair to employees.
You mentioned low-income workers twice, but I don’t see any inherent advantage to defined-benefit plans or inherent disadvantage of defined-contribution plans for them. It is arguable that low-income workers are also less educated and less likely to make wise or even reasonable investment decisions when in charge of their own funds. Of course, they are also less likely to make wise decisions in the choice of their pension managers.
Another huge advantage of defined-contribution funds is that one owns them and can pass them on to one’s heirs, unlike defined-benefit plans.
There is an advantage to defined-benefit plans which also come with insurance (e.g. disability), but I suspect it would be more efficient to unbundle them.
New York has a well funded pension plan because they have centralized control (it’s governed by a separately elected state official), there’s good governance around it and the law makes it difficult for local government to short their contributions.
Illinois and New Jersey took a more yolo approach and their funds are essentially insolvent.
Does it? I think employers would be far better off if they didn't have to manage benefits. Having the employer administer everything was the deal we struck to provide socialist-like assurances for the middle classes while keeping the word "socialism" out of politics. The cost is every employer managing a complex system of benefits, workers navigating a bunch of different benefits systems as they change employers, more benefits systems to paper over gaps, and separate systems for a few categories of non-employed people that it would seem too brutal to leave unsupported. It's fantastically complicated, and there's no point to doing it that way except that we can call it capitalism.
Defined benefit pensions work great outside of massive frauds. A better way to address that would be a government guarantee paired with prudential regulation and prosecution of frauds.
I’m not sure that’s inherently bad. Why should $CORP really be responsible for benefits 30 years hence? And, by the way, you probably need to work there for 10 years or so before the benefits even get interesting.
Because they're in a better position to pool risk, hire expertise, and generally run a pension well than an individual is. I mean I do think governments should focus more on improving universal pension systems rather than offering tax breaks to get employers to do it for them, but pushing it right down to the individual is even worse.
An individual can farm out investments to a target date fund at Fidelity or wherever.
The argument/issue isn’t really that it’s hard for individuals to make investments relative to pensions but that many don’t. So we need to not make it an option and do it for them.
-- the superconducting magnet shell requires the accurate creation of 'nested doll' cryogenic containers, built to withstand magnetostatic forces in a highly regulated environment with defined safety requirements under catastrophic failure modes. Solving the design problem is equivalent to solving a huge set of nasty, coupled PDEs subject to loads of material constraints. This is directly analogous to aspects of jet engine design.
-- inside the bore of the magnet (but not in the cryostat) goes a device called the gradient set, whose job is to generate \partial B_z/ \partial_{xyz} as a function of time (that, very much indirectly, the radiographer specifies). This is a water cooled, resistive set of magnet coils with a defined frequency response curve, linearity requirements, etc. The current into them is generated by a set of three huge amplifiers, which have to actually take a signal delivered on a timebase of microseconds and volts and amplify it with negligible delay and deliver kA into a large inductor centimetres away from a patient. This is a formidable (power) electronic engineering challenge with huge parallels to various aspects of electrical engineering – e.g. managing (preventing) dielectric breakdown, thermal management, inverse solutions to Maxwell's equations in a quasistatic region (people use streamfunctions to do this well), etc.
-- the RF side of the system has to transmit kV and receive microvolts within microseconds into a definitively challenging electrodynamic environment with constraints on harmonics. Everything has to keep to a hard realtime constraint. The ADC must have a huge dynamic range and the problem is conducted massively in parallel. This is directly analogous to problems in telecommunications or RF design, but harder -- intermittent pulsed not continuous wave, and a hard requirement to accurately measure analogue voltages. Designing the RF coil ("probe" in NMR speak or ≈"antenna") is a further horrible (full-wave) EM design problem that even GE often subcontract out to one of about five specialist firms worldwide.
It's not a priori obvious to me that lots of competing companies would be better at creating stuff that requires the interaction of disciplines like this. Rather, I view the split up of GE and all of the woes of the article as evidence of a business mismanaged by MBAs. The defined benefit pensions should have been protected by law and overseen by an independent regulator - like my defined benefit pension that sits above my employer and shares risk among many different universities.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: it's almost as if the combination of supporting physics and engineering without particular attention to the ultimate "core competency" or "end market segment" lets creative, interdisciplinary ideas like this flourish.
It wasn't until the 2008 GFC crushed GE Capital that it all started to really come apart, many decades after Welch got started.
Perhaps it is time to have rules about the submission of AI generated trash to HN as faux-articles.
On the other hand, the Key Quotes are not really that key, and some of the bullet points don't really work (it's not clear how the LTC insurance time bomb can be considered an accounting trick).
After reading it, Welsh was great (his creation of GE credit, while merely just a shadow bank, was a bit innovative, not to the point of lionized but certainly worth a merit, but his day-to-day running and operation and cost cutting / discipline, outside of a couple deal heat moments seemed really quite good).
...except for hiring Immelt, Immelt was a ridiculous disaster of a CEO that my god should've been fired nearly immediately, and Flannery got completely shafted, someone threw him out, grabbed his plan, and basked in the credit. Super tragic to see.
THIS is a book about business.
The subunit I worked for, was almost supernaturally dysfunctional.
I was there for 18 months, and they had 3 reorgs, in that time.
Once, the VP of our division, called an “all-hands” meeting, to tell us that he was a lawyer that didn’t have a computer, didn’t like software (we were a software company), basically, didn’t like us, and that we’d better get on the stick, and make number go up.
Ah…fun times…
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/boeing-corporate-...
Unfathomably based. I'd much prefer these honest types who are upfront about it, that I don't like you, we don't like you either, it's all transactional here, work in exchange for money till we find a better job, than the sociopath corporate assassins who try to gaslight workers telling everyone how we're all family and we're all in this tough period together, meanwhile doing layoffs, cutting things like break room coffee while buying another Porsche and building an executive gym.
Many companies don't implode, because if all workers constantly ran away from all incompetent companies, everyone would have to choose to be unemployed, because there are no perfect companies where everyone is perfect and everything runs like clockwork. But some do implode when it reaches critical mass.
I think that Welch spawned a whole bunch of "Mini-Jacks," that worked to be what they thought he wanted.
The division was doing badly, and this guy was sent in to "clean it up."
I suspect that he ended up "cleaning it out," which was probably a win, in his book.
I worked with some top-shelf engineers, back then. GE could hire the best. If they had been managed well, they could have been awesome.
The management, however, was terrible, especially at the higher levels. Lots of nice suits and cufflinks, but very little smarts.
Makes me wonder how we'll look back at companies like Google in the future.
Employment is not a romantic relationship where mutual feelings are required, it's a transactional one. You don't need to like your CEO and the CEO doesn't need to like you.
You need to provide value for the company and the company has to pay you money in exchange, that's how it works. Two parties can monetarily prosper together while simultaneously disliking each other. Nations do it all the time, see China and the US, and business partners do it all the time, see the MythBusters and many more. The most successful business people are also the ones who are best at putting feelings and emotions aside of financial interest.
Gaslighting workers that a private company will have feelings or emotional attachment towards them will only result in disappointment for you, but it's a lesson many learn the hard way. They won't be by your deathbed, only your family will.
Do you want the harsh truth or the sweet lie? Because that GE exec at least told it to you straight like to an adult, hence my chapeau, even if it shatters your rosy belief. The world could use more like them, instead of the sociopaths who manipulate you to stick around while they're already planning for the group's crash in a year which is coincidently when their golden parachute stocks vest.
I can say “I don’t know how to do brain surgery and furthermore I have no interest to learn.” You may correctly determine I am being honest but this in no way qualifies me to do brain surgery.
Knowledge and experience matters. Welchian leadership aggressively and deliberately dismisses all knowledge as a cost to be minimized. The idea is you can make up for any organizational shortcoming if you just abuse people enough. It’s a very leaded pipe era way of thinking.
The disastrous results of this philosophy speak for themselves.
During that time my software company was brought in to bid on a project for GE. Cool project, making a repository for technical drawings going back a century; turns out they still maintain power plants that old! Anyway, it seemed to be going great until GE presented a term sheet, which included a maximum pay for SWEs under $30/hr, requirement to submit all data on hours worked and pay issued, maximum profit margin of 6%, etc. It was instantly obvious they considered software the same as sweatshop labor and wanted nothing to do with engineering real solutions. A big "Nevermind" and walked away.
Still shaking my head on how disconnected from reality the GE mgt was. Decided to never invest in the stock, but watched it continue to climb for years before it finally collapsed for good. Always surprising how long large orgs can survive on sheer inertia.
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https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/ge-completes-three-way-sp...
30-Aug-2000 GE was $580.94 billion
It's never gotten above around half that valuation since.
Most key divisions were sold off. You can get "GE" label appliances, but it is a Chinese company. Plastics, which invented Lexan, was sold to Sabic. On and on. It is simply not the company it was and will take decades, if ever for it to become that again.
30-July-2020 = $53.13 billion
Since then, the remaining aerospace division has recovered to $257B, but it is a different business.
edit add ref link: https://companiesmarketcap.com/general-electric/marketcap/
This thread seems to be more about whether or not AI wrote the article, than the article's contents.
Easier to make yourself into a witch-smeller than a bonifide expert in what the witches are talking about, I guess.
I imagine those GE workers who were young enough probably moved elsewhere, but the older ones didn't fare so well.
https://www.syracuse.com/living/2019/09/an-historical-timeli...
I was surprised when the article opened with what it said was the worlds first transistor radio, because I always thought that was the TR-1. It looks like GE made a prototype, but never took it to market.
And in my opinion we are doing some amazing things right now.
I don’t think GE is dead at all.
> But complexity has a cost when multiple things collapse at once. The power business cratered in 2017 and the insurance liabilities exploded and oil prices collapsed. CEO John Flannery launched "Project Eisenhower," a secret plan to break up the company. His successor, Larry Culp, made it official: After 126 years, the conglomerate would split into three.
> The final irony? The same GE labs that created the first US jet engine, the MRI, and LED lighting still exist. In 2024, they're developing hydrogen-powered aircraft engines and 3D-printing technology that would have amazed Edison. But the conglomerate that funded them is gone.
Btw, there’s a great interview with the author of Power Failure on the Bloomberg Masters in Business podcast.
GE finance was spun off into Ally bank.
The other part of the turnaround though was the pension. Pension funds in a zero interest rate environment is a giant liability. That was a huge part of what drag down GE's finances for a while. Once the interest rate started to go back up again, the pension liability shrunk by a lot.
Overall, GE is in a much better position now then it was in the past two decades. I don't know why the post ends up on such a negative note. GE has been severely humbled but I think it's well positioned to grow again.
I've invested in GE twice, both during its downturns. This time I'm holding onto it because I think it's structurally in a better place than it was before.
All that growth in GE credited to its executives was in large part due huge american spending power with massive and growing economy. So all these ways where GE fucked its workers, environment and so on worked because there were others who would balance out. How ever at some point it was no longer the case then gravity brought GE to its rightful place.
But the biggest was coming up with nice new technologies, selling to customers; then not that many years later dropping support and leaving customers without a path forward.
Here is a positive review of that other book from Bill Gates:
actionfromafar•21h ago
Hm, doesn’t ring a Bell.
AStonesThrow•18h ago
https://computer.rip/2020-06-14-manifest-telephone.html
I said that religion does not thrive under capitalism, and of course this was the fate met by the Bell system. The breakup of the Bell system in 1982 occurred primarily in response to their very high rates, which were (accurately) seen as symptomatic of the monopoly they enjoyed.
CNBC Reporting Live from Jack Welch's funeral, March 5, 2020: https://youtu.be/6opKFgvRzjE?si=ynbAEYEZBCzfuTqE
Nobody is wearing masks, but there is a lot of name-dropping by the field reporter, Robert Frank, and a full obituary in the dooblydoo; don't miss them
SoftTalker•17h ago
mrguyorama•22m ago
A renowned local pizza company spent that summer loudly crying about mask mandates and loudly not conforming to gentle asks to increase spacing and limit indoor dining. They were documented as the site of several significant outbreaks and now the company is dead. Because people stopped going. Because nobody cares so much about pizza that they want to catch something that is from an inconvenience all the way up to lethal.