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'It's too late': David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/07/02/its-too-late-david-suzuki-says-the-fight-against-climate-change-is-lost/
39•dluan•7h ago

Comments

yupitsme123•6h ago
What would the world look like if we had won the fight?

I've been hearing about this fight for my entire life. People are extremely passionate and self-righteous about it and have science to back up everything they believe, so why was there never a single unified plan with a single unified movement behind it?

vjvjvjvjghv•6h ago
There is one unified plan which is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and switch over to more sustainable energy sources.
yupitsme123•6h ago
Those are goals, not a plan. Is there a plan that scientists and activists agreed on that I should be supporting?
alganet•6h ago
No, there is no masterplan.

Not enough of the population was properly educated on the risks, and therefore a solid plan was never even conceived.

We needed lots of people thinking about it in order to do that, while most people just discussed it superficially and were easily provoked, manipulated or distracted.

yupitsme123•5h ago
I never understood why the entire population needed to be involved. It's not a referendum.

A handful of smart people just needed to get together and come up with a solution. Then the governments of the world implement it. I understand that the second part is difficult. But did the first part ever happen?

alganet•5h ago
> A handful of smart people just needed to get together

Things don't work this way, unfortunatelly. This kind of thinking just pushes the problem to someone else do deal with, which only serves to shift up blame. Small groups are vulnerable to corruption, or distractions, or silly power plays.

We needed _lots_ of people with good education and reasonable awareness of the risks, it was the only way to have a chance to develop a more solid plan.

However, you got your way. There are small groups of smart people working on these issues. But many, many of us know that their chances are slim (due to the shortcomings mentioned earlier). Unfortunatelly, not that many to form a critical mass.

yupitsme123•5h ago
Things do in fact work that way. Here's a list of things that a small number of people changed without the consent of the public, all before we got a single workable plan for climate change:

The internet, cell phones, social media, fracking, AI, the fall of the Soviet Union, war in Iraq, changes in attitudes towards family, sexuality. Just to name a few.

All of these things just kind of happened without the public having asking for them. Why then has a slight, gradual reduction in greenhouse gases been so hard?

alganet•4h ago
Because climate change is more similar to erradicating polio than selling cellphones or toppling leaders.

In the whole human history, only one disease was erradicated: smallpox. It took centuries, countless smart people, reasonable awareness of many counter-intuitive ideas, and we almost failed. Going to the moon was easier.

Tadpole9181•5h ago
"Just" does so much work in these comments.

I mean... Why do the smart people not "just" develop a perfect economic plan? Or "just" end world hunger? Or "just" stop global conflicts?

Anyway, there have been multitudes of plans and strategies and actions to chip away at the problem. All of them require sacrificing political capital, raising taxes and the costs of products, and effort. And you get nothing substantial in return.

So while the entire scientific community tried pushing education and solutions galore, the political and corporate establishment fought tooth and nail against any aspect that did not immediately profit them. To the point that now an entire party in the richest country on Earth that holds all three branches of government uses opposition to solving the problem as one of the core tenants of their platform.

yupitsme123•5h ago
Smart people are doing those things. Just in a way that benefits them and not necessarily you or I.

Anyway, what is the solution that the scientific community proposed and that was killed by the political and corporate establishment?

What is the plan that the non-US countries have implemented to eliminate the problem?

jochem9•42m ago
Solution: reduce CO2 emissions to carbon neutrality.

This has been agreed multiple times, most notably the Paris agreement of 2015, which set deadlines for countries to achieve carbon neutrality.

The plan failed in e.g. the US because politicians didn't follow through. Trump literally withdrew from the Paris agreement.

All but 3 countries in the world participate in the Paris agreement. This includes all big CO2 emitters, like China, US (now withdrawn), India and EU countries.

xboxnolifes•3h ago
Lots of smart people came together in different solutions. The missing piece is that there is opposition. The opposition won.
yupitsme123•3h ago
Who were these people and what were the solutions? Who was the opposition and when was the battle decided?

If you're going to tell me it was the Democrats vs the Republicans, then please explain why countries outside the US haven't made it happen yet. China is a country full of scientists and engineers and the opposition there is non existent.

xboxnolifes•52m ago
Most of the opposition is the industries that renewable energy threatens and those who have vested interests in it.
morkalork•5h ago
Blame for lack of a plan is not on the shoulders of scientists. They do science. They are not a government whose responsibility is policy and governing. And apparently our politicians ay best play lip service to, and at worst don't believe in, these problems. Consequently, there is no plan to reach those goals for anyone to rally around.
yupitsme123•4h ago
Coming up with a plan would be squarely in the hands of scientists and engineers and passionate individuals. Perhaps the government and the public would help in enacting that plan, but not in creating it.

I'm led to believe that the scientists and activists are all led by the same empirical research and share a broad consensus. So why then is there no plan or even a concept of a plan after 30 years of talking about all this?

hilbert42•3h ago
Money. More is needed and no one wants to pay—even when proposals make sense.
yupitsme123•3h ago
How much? This is what I'm talking about. It's hard to get people to buy a narrative that says we need to spend infinite amounts of money on an as yet undetermined plan, or else life as we know it will end.
jkmcf•6h ago
I'll bite.

1. There's too much money directly opposing the goals of fighting climate change

2. Humans aren't big on alignment. FFS, we still don't have good UX/GUI for Linux and it's mainly been stagnant* and divided into Gnome and KDE for 20+ years.

* despite the impressive accomplishments, it's essentially true

yupitsme123•6h ago
1. Wouldn't there be even more money to be made by saving the human race? Putting aside profit, wouldn't people with money want to continue existing and therefore be aligned with the movement?

2. Your example isn't something life or death. Humanity has aligned on numerous things and changed significantly amd uniformly during the past 30 years without even trying. Why is it so hard to come up with a list of demands and reforms for everyone to agree on and march behind to save the world?

jkmcf•5h ago
I don't understand why humans do what they do, consistently and repetitively, against their best interests, except for money, emotions, or a lack of understanding.
yupitsme123•5h ago
Climate change is the only issue I'm aware of where "humanity" routinely gets implicated.

Climate change has been a mainstream issue since the mid-90s. From then until now we've had massive material and ideological changes across the globe, none of which required the support or awareness of humanity or the voting public.

The internet, cell phones, social media, fracking, AI, multiple wars, changes in attitudes towards family, sexuality, and marijuana usage have all occurred during this time period. Why then has a slight, gradual reduction in greenhouse gas reduction been so hard?

hilbert42•3h ago
Because all the above depends on energy and it's still mostly produced from fossil fuels!

Changing that cost money—and people resent having to pay more for change that they don't perceive will make much difference to their lives.

Whether they're right or wrong doesn't alter that.

alganet•6h ago
There's no "fight". Any people being aggressive or overly passionate about it (or against it) are, in my view, compromised (provoked, used, manipulated).

There has been a consistent attempt at getting everyone to consider the risks in a reasonable way. It has failed.

mytailorisrich•6h ago
It was impossible to "win the fight" because of the demographic curve (~1.5 billion in 1900, ~8.2 billion today)
dev1n•6h ago
It's unfortunate we didn't get more facts from the interviewee on how exactly it's too late. The interview felt more like a complaint about politics and less about the dire situation of humanity.
dluan•6h ago
Folks outside of Canada might not know him, but he's spent 50 years as a science TV host on CBC, kind of like a Canadian Carl Sagan.
hilbert42•5h ago
David Suzuki is even known to people in Australia, he's expressed his views on our national broadcaster the ABC's Science Show many times. I think the first time I'd heard him talk was in the 1980s.

His view are well-known to anyone who has listened to his broadcasts. He is a clear and articulate speaker.

Edit: I agree with xnx's point that "the climate change "movement" and messaging is so bad and misguided that it is counterproductive." Suzuki is one of the exceptions, his arguments are logical, straightforward and backed up by scientific fact.

xenator•5h ago
Just another local hysterical old ideologist. Nobody care. It is hard to get attention when you are old and mumbling, so he decided to get last minute of fame.
hilbert42•4h ago
It's a shame you aren't better informed.

Suzuki is not just a local phenomenon, nor is he a mumbling hysterical ideolog but a well-known and well-respected science writer of longstanding who bases what he says in science.

I'm not local but come from the other side of the planet and even the opposite hemisphere and I first heard Suzuki speak over 40 years ago. Neither am I an hysterical ideolog, as mentioned I agree with xnx's point that the climate change Movement's messaging is bad, misguided and counterproductive.

I'd add the reason why it's so is that for some within the Movement the environment is more than just politics, for them it's essentially morphed into a religion and it's their constant proselytizing that has annoyed the shit out of many, myself included.

Suzuki is not one of those but a science communicator who works with scientific facts.

bell-cot•6h ago
Yeah.

Not that that's unusual. My sense of a lot of left-wing and political/environmental folks is that they'd be fine with watching humanity exterminated by climate change - so long as they were allowed a nice, long "I was RIGHT, and you were WRONG" gloating monologue near the end.

xnx•6h ago
I love the natural world, and think what we've done to it is terrible, but the climate change "movement" and messaging is so bad and misguided that it is counterproductive. The world will not become unlivable on a timescale that any living person cares about (as revealed by expressed preference). People live in Phoenix in the summer by choice!
goopypoop•6h ago
I'm more worried about the roof getting blown off my flooded house
alganet•6h ago
The world economy is a delicate machine.

One or two degrees will not incinerate you, but it might affect some crops, and then some food prices, and then there could be some starving, and poverty, and disease. Things could escalate quickly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

vdupras•5h ago
We've got to define "unlivable". What if statistically, everyone's house will be destroyed by flooding, forest fires, etc.. let's say, twice in their lifetime. How can the math possibly add up if a house's price requires a 50 years mortgage? At some point, something's gotta give and that kind of odds will happen in a timescale shorter than many living people care about.

Also, wasn't there something about, you know, caring for the generations to come? Maybe I misremember...

toomuchtodo•5h ago
The US is currently spending ~$1T/year on climate costs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-17/us-spendi... | https://archive.today/EBmaI

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/09/climate-...

123yawaworht456•5h ago
with the current TFR rapidly approaching 1.5 children per woman virtually everywhere in the northern hemisphere, even if it remains stable (it will not, it will continue to decline), its population will shrink to 1/10th of what it is today in less than 250 years.

there will be plenty of empty houses for the generations to come.

vdupras•5h ago
A reverse Malthusian extrapolation, now that's something I haven't seen since Children of Men.
toomuchtodo•5h ago
https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf
antisthenes•4h ago
No, it's not the reverse extrapolation.

It's still part of Malthusian theory, it's just the logical conclusion of population collapse after resource depletion.

joules77•5h ago
Its the Attention economy layer underneath effecting everything. Whether its Trump or Climate Change - elevating threat perception captures attention. And algos are programmed to prop it up. There are no bright answers or theories on what to do about it.
yupitsme123•5h ago
Something that's interesting to me is how climate change has largely fallen off the media radar over the past few years.

Back around 2007 it was a HUGE topic and many of us thought we'd be living in hell by 2025. Yet here we are and climate change rarely even makes the news.

vdupras•5h ago
The media never said 2025. They always, always talked about 2100, just so the mind can safely think "I'll be dead by then". Thresholds crossed by 2025? certainly. But "living hell by 2025"? I'll have to call "citations needed".
yupitsme123•5h ago
I didn't say that the media said that. It was the general feeling that many people (myself included) had and that activists perpetuated at that time. Disaster was about 15-20 years away.

What I said about the media is that they talked about climate change a whole lot more back then compared to now. Beside the Iraq War it was one of the big topics that everyone was always talking about. Nowadays it seems more of a background issue.

Yossarrian22•3h ago
I'm over 40 can you cite a primary source from that time frame? That is very much not how I recall people thinking about climate change.
Paradigma11•2h ago
Times were far less "interesting" back then.

How is the saying: "Aviate, navigate, communicate". We are strictly in an aviate phase.

alganet•3h ago
I think we're still trying to understand why the nation most equipped to solve the problem just lobotomized itself and went sci-fi fantasy delusional.
moepstar•2h ago
> Yet here we are and climate change rarely even makes the news.

Sure, if you dismiss all the news about floodings etc.

Just because it's not titled "flooding due to climate change" ....

Paradigma11•2h ago
Sure nature and us will adapt.

Just think of the 10 year lynx-hare cycle https://jckantor.github.io/CBE30338/02.05-Hare-and-Lynx-Popu... where nature adapts constantly.

Now think about the fact that Lynxes have a max age of 15 years plus and the cycle takes 10 years.

MrPapz•6h ago
We’re at a terrible crossroads. If climate scientists are right, we’re headed for unavoidable disruption. Some now say it’s already too late — all we can do is mitigate and adapt. Start local. Know your neighbors. Build resilience.

But if they’re wrong, that’s also bad news. It means our scientific institutions failed us, and the political trust placed in “studies” will collapse. The next time someone says “science says…”, society may not listen.

Either way, it’s a precarious place to be. Until then, enjoy the summer — it might be the coolest one we have left.

decimalenough•6h ago
> the political trust placed in “studies” will collapse.

That horse has already bolted. See eg. vaccinations and autism, efficacy of COVID vaccines, etc.

clipsy•5h ago
If people think "scientists can never be wrong," we have fundamentally and deeply failed to explain how science actually works. And sadly, that does seem to be the case.
threatofrain•5h ago
When people say science is wrong, it often comes from a place where they forgot that the rest of the world exists, each with their own institutions, each with their own responsibility to thrive.
xenator•5h ago
Especially understanding that they are not responsible for any bold assumptions or doomsday predictions.

Academic science is more religion than actual religion.

mytailorisrich•6h ago
This is well known.

This includes the fact that whatever we do now the impact of what's already done will be felt for thousands of years.

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