This seems like questionable reasoning to me. If California has 100 MW of solar power for every 10 MW in Indiana, a 10% increase in solar will show up as 10x more CO2 savings for California just because it has a larger installed base.
To me the relevant question is the relative dirtiness of the nonrenewables being replaced, and the relative cost and effectiveness of solar. IMHO the data ought to be normalized to a per-MW-installed-rating basis.
I wish the study went like this (all the following numbers are completely made up, based on nothing more than the fertile imagination of an HN commentator mildly annoyed by the study's questionable numeracy):
- In California, clouds / latitude / etc. mean a panel's only usable 10/24 hours on average per day
- In Indiana, the geography's less ideal, so clouds / latitude / etc. make it usable 8/24 hours on an average day
- In California, it would be replacing a super-clean natural gas plant installed in 2008 that has expensive high-tech emissions control devices required by the super-strict California environmental regulations and emits 0.4 tons of CO2 per MWH.
- In Indiana, there was no money or political will for modern power plants or strict environmental regulations, so the solar panel would be replacing a smoke belching coal plant from the previous millenium that emits 1.2 tons of CO2 per MWH.
- In California, labor for >1 MW solar installations costs $0.20 / W, costs are inflated by high CoL / taxes and business unfriendly regulations but there are lots of firms with experience who can install quickly.
- In Indiana, labor for >1 MW solar installations is $0.15 / W, they pay a lot less and don't have as much red tape, which slightly outweighs the fact installers don't have much experience and bumble around being slow and making expensive mistakes.
- Your per-watt cost is $0.20 / (10/24) = $0.48 in California but $0.15 / (8/24) = $0.45 in Indiana (which is also your per-MW cost in millions).
- Your daily emissions reduction is 0.4 x 10 = 4.0 tons for California and 1.2 x 8 = 9.6 tons emissions reduction for Indiana.
- Therefore every $1M spent in California buys 4.0 / $0.48 = 8.3 tons / day of emissions reduction and every $1M spent in Indiana buys 9.6 / .45 = 21.3 tons / day of emissions reduction.
If you care about efficiently spending money to reduce emissions, in this example (using made-up numbers) Indiana is the low-hanging fruit, investments there are better by a factor of 21.3 / 8.3 ~ 2.6.
But the way the study's written, if we assume solar is currently 2000 MW for California and 200 MW for Indiana, its calculations would suggest a 10% increase in California (200 MW) would save 200 x 4.0 = 800 tons and a 10% increase in Indiana would save 20 x 9.6 = 192 tons.
This is very misleading.
If you don't think about the units and just look at the numbers, you might be tempted to conclude the study's telling you that California's emissions reduction rating is 800 and Indiana's rating is 192, so if you care about CO2 reduction every dollar of investment is a factor of 4 as effective in California -- when in reality, with these numbers every dollar is actually a factor of 2.6 more effective in Indiana.
local CO2 emissions. This has not affected pumping of oil, and since we aren't even able to store much oil, that means it's getting burned. That makes it clear the global effect must be very close to zero. And for CO2, only global matters.
For example, there are oil fields that are unexploited because they would not be profitable. If demand rose, prices would rise and new wells would be opened. The reverse is also true.
>EIA publishes hourly operational data across the United States electricity grid, including demand, net generation of electricity from various sources (such as coal, natural gas, solar), CO2 emissions, import/export to other regions, and many more. The complete details of the EIA-930 data is available here: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/gridmonitor/about. Furthermore, we obtained the solar capacities of each year and each region from EIA (https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/) and had stored the information in the file solar_capacity_factor.csv. (2023-07-01)
But using it to make a subtle jab agains CAHSR isn't really fair -- they're two very different projects (for one of them, it's genuinely a stretch to call it "HSR") in two very different regions.
Yes, it's harder to get big projects through the red tape in California than it is in West / Panhandle Texas or Central Florida. Go take a drive through those regions and you'll quickly see some reasons why, besides just NIMBYism, Californians are a bit more protective of their landscapes. If a massive wind project were proposed across large swaths of the Texas Hillcountry, you'd see a lot more push-back.
Well, CA HSR doesn't exist. It's missing the R part of the HSR. So that must be the one it's a stretch to call "HSR".
How fast is California's HSR?
That's both sarcasm and an actual question. It doesn't go anywhere now but I keep hearing it's speed get downgraded as they encounter the real world. Plus, the goal of LA-SF is practically abandoned and now it takes you from a place you don't want to be to a place you don't want to go.
You really can't compare the two because one exists only as a goal and the other is an accomplishment.
https://www.fitchratings.com/research/infrastructure-project...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-11/florida-s... | https://archive.today/LEyBC
€0.3943 / kWh
That's about US$0.46 or AU$0.71 per kWh
That largely explains the surge in popularity of patio solar in Germany.
You'll typically get ~30 these days with minimal comparison.
Still expensive but a full quarter less.
[0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
Whoa, that's really cool.
You can see the paper along with figures & regional breakdowns here: https://openpaper.ai/paper/share/1d0c6956-4820-4ee2-ac1e-12c...
The savings is minuscule. But important nonetheless. It just goes on to show how much more solar is required.
If you replace 0.5% of things that emit carbon with non-carbon sources it reduces carbon emissions by 0.5%.
Put another way, if I could grease the right palms to shave commensurate minuscule savings off of the budget of ICE, it'd pay off my mortgage. Twentyfold.
Back to greenhouse gases, I'm no climatologist, but isn't it plausible the difference could, for instance, make or break one catastrophic wildfire across the western seaboard of North America?
Beware of statistic thinking in a stochastic world.
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