and I'm "potentially" the next president of the U.S.
https://virginiabusiness.com/loudoun-county-supervisors-shak...
What was once a rural county outside of Fairfax, Loudon has seen tremendous development thanks to data center expansion. Now Prince William County( one county over, westward) is trying to fight the same battle before it gets too big of a problem for them.
However, I’m puzzled by this portion of your comment: ‘…has seen tremendous development thanks to data center expansion.’
The major residential growth in Ashburn, Broadlands, Sterling, Lansdowne, and surrounding areas significantly predates the data center boom. These communities were already experiencing rapid expansion and large influxes of new residents well before the data center industry took off here.
That is insane. An NDA that the county was forced to sign? No wonder residents were outraged. I’m surprised this is legal.
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belter•6mo ago
It's worst. They use tap water.
"...For the purposes of cooling, data centres mainly use potable water (water that is safe to drink or use for cooking, free from harmful contaminants). .." - https://www.twobirds.com/en/insights/2025/cooling-the-cloud-...
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bob1029•6mo ago
I think in this case, solar energy is the best way to run the cooling systems, even if it requires an absurd amount of power to exercise compressors, etc. in order to improve heat concentration and rejection efficiency. As long as it's all green and theres a disaster recovery plan, who cares?
hooverd•6mo ago
duped•6mo ago
Another dumb question: why are we building projects that need tons of power and water in the Sonoran desert instead of next to the Great Lakes
AnimalMuppet•6mo ago
You pump water up from the local water table to run your evaporative cooler. The water evaporates. But the air was at 10-20% humidity. The water from the evaporative cooler will raise the humidity, a little bit, but not enough to make it rain. It may make it more likely to rain somewhere downwind a few miles, or a few hundred, but not here.
For your second dumb question: At least some of the Great Lakes have at times had issues with water level. (They want enough to allow ships to pass between the lakes.) The upside is, there the humidity is high enough that you're more likely to get the water back in the form of increased precipitation.
dreamcompiler•6mo ago
Sometimes it's true, but it takes 10,000 years so if you mean "recharges while our current civilization exists" then it's effectively false. This is the case for the Ogallala aquifer which supplies 27% of the irrigated land in the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer
Sometimes it's just completely false because the groundwater exists as a sealed bubble of water put there during the last ice age. That glass of water you just drank? Congratulations! It's 25,000 years old, and we know this through isotopic analysis. Your drinking water was mined and once it's gone it's gone forever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_water
Sometimes recharge can happen but only via snowmelt at high altitudes (and of course Tucson doesn't get much snow).
Sometimes it's completely true. The Edwards aquifer in Texas gets recharged every time it rains.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_Aquifer
So it's complicated. Generally speaking, deeper groundwater sources take longer to recharge if they recharge at all. I don't know the particular groundwater situation around Tucson.
> why are we building projects that need tons of power and water in the Sonoran desert instead of next to the Great Lakes
Evaporative cooling is effective and cheap where humidity is low. It doesn't work well where humidity is high.
tzs•6mo ago
Very little of the water used to grow the product actually ends up shipped. For example with alfalfa (a major Arizona crop) only 0.005% of the water used to grow it end up in the alfalfa. The rest of it first ends up in the ground near the plants or in the atmosphere near the plants.
This is also the case for most high water use industries. For example making integrated circuits uses a large amount of water but very little if any actually ends up in the chips themselves.
AnthonyMouse•6mo ago
Meanwhile in a cold climate you can do cooling by just blowing outside air through a filter, so the alternative in those climates is that rather than running a compressor.
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JumpCrisscross•6mo ago
This is objectively false, particularly when we consider that much of that food and water are exported. It’s also irrelevant in Tucson, which doesn’t have Central Valley syndrome.
EA-3167•6mo ago
JumpCrisscross•6mo ago
Which is also paid for data centre access.
We need food production as a matter of survival. That doesn’t mean all food production is inherently more valuable than everything else. We let most food spoil without being eaten because it’s more efficient to do that than treat every calorie as precious.
> just like the absurd overvaluation of all things AI doesn't change the value proposition there either
Literally does.
There are good arguments against a data centre in Tucson. “We could grow food with that water” isn’t one of them.
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seemaze•6mo ago
If a datacenter is a more valuable proposition (it may be?) then should have the ability to acquire and redirect existing resources being used for agriculture.
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NickC25•6mo ago
They won't be as high of altitude though so their shots won't go as far. Too bad.
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