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Mexico to US Livestock Trade halted due to Screwworm spread

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/07/09/secretary-rollins-takes-decisive-action-and-shuts-down-us-southern-border-ports-livestock-trade-due
188•burnt-resistor•3h ago•144 comments

Show HN: The current sky at your approximate location, as a CSS gradient

https://sky.dlazaro.ca
259•dlazaro•4h ago•53 comments

Long-term exposure to outdoor air pollution linked to increased risk of dementia

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/long-term-exposure-to-outdoor-air-pollution-linked-to-increased-risk-of-dementia
120•hhs•4h ago•32 comments

OpenFreeMap survived 100k requests per second

https://blog.hyperknot.com/p/openfreemap-survived-100000-requests
198•hyperknot•4h ago•54 comments

Simon Willison's Lethal Trifecta Talk at the Bay Area AI Security Meetup

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/9/bay-area-ai/
73•vismit2000•3h ago•18 comments

Quickshell – building blocks for your desktop

https://quickshell.org/
142•abhinavk•4d ago•23 comments

Empire of the Absurd: A Brief History of the Absurdities of the Soviet Union

https://laurivahtre.ee/empire-of-the-absurd/
38•Maro•2h ago•25 comments

A CT scanner reveals surprises inside the 386 processor's ceramic package

https://www.righto.com/2025/08/intel-386-package-ct-scan.html
18•robin_reala•36m ago•2 comments

ChatGPT Agent – EU Launch

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11752874-chatgpt-agent
32•Topfi•2h ago•8 comments

MCP's Disregard for 40 Years of RPC Best Practices

https://julsimon.medium.com/why-mcps-disregard-for-40-years-of-rpc-best-practices-will-burn-enterprises-8ef85ce5bc9b
36•yodon•3h ago•8 comments

Don Knuth on ChatGPT(07 April 2023)

https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.txt
9•b-man•40m ago•1 comments

ESP32 Bus Pirate 0.5 – A Hardware Hacking Tool That Speaks Every Protocol

https://github.com/geo-tp/ESP32-Bus-Pirate
30•geo-tp•2h ago•2 comments

Accessibility and the Agentic Web

https://tetralogical.com/blog/2025/08/08/accessibility-and-the-agentic-web/
6•edent•1h ago•3 comments

Cordoomceps – replacing an Amiga's brain with Doom

https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/73001.html
19•naves•3d ago•3 comments

Testing Bitchat at the music festival

https://primal.net/saunter/testing-bitchat-at-the-music-festival
13•alexcos•3d ago•6 comments

Jan – Ollama alternative with local UI

https://github.com/menloresearch/jan
110•maxloh•7h ago•58 comments

End-User Programmable AI

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3746223
11•tosh•2h ago•0 comments

The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

https://www.theregister.com/2025/08/09/dead_need_ai_data_delete_right/
112•rntn•4h ago•69 comments

Ratfactor's Illustrated Guide to Folding Fitted Sheets

https://ratfactor.com/cards/fitted-sheets
59•zdw•5h ago•9 comments

I want everything local – Building my offline AI workspace

https://instavm.io/blog/building-my-offline-ai-workspace
953•mkagenius•23h ago•256 comments

Car has more than 1.2M km on it – and it's still going strong

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/1985-toyota-tercel-high-mileage-1.7597168
143•Sgt_Apone•3d ago•187 comments

Sandstorm- self-hostable web productivity suite

https://sandstorm.org/
126•nalinidash•11h ago•26 comments

The current state of LLM-driven development

http://blog.tolki.dev/posts/2025/08-07-llms/
4•Signez•1h ago•0 comments

Partially Matching Zig Enums

https://matklad.github.io/2025/08/08/partially-matching-zig-enums.html
128•ingve•9h ago•83 comments

Tribblix – The Retro Illumos Distribution

http://www.tribblix.org/
83•bilegeek•11h ago•23 comments

Breaking the Sorting Barrier for Directed Single-Source Shortest Paths

https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.17033
85•pentestercrab•12h ago•3 comments

A SPARC makes a little fire

https://www.leadedsolder.com/2025/08/05/sparcstation-scsi-termination-fix-magic-smoke.html
83•zdw•4d ago•12 comments

60% of medal of honor recipients are Irish or Irish-American

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish-American_Medal_of_Honor_recipients
62•physarum_salad•2h ago•29 comments

Tor: How a military project became a lifeline for privacy

https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-secret-history-of-tor-how-a-military-project-became-a-lifeline-for-privacy/
380•anarbadalov•1d ago•179 comments

Why Wisconsin's county highways are lettered, not numbered (2019)

https://www.wpr.org/transportation/why-wisconsins-county-roads-are-lettered-not-numbered
32•kaladin-jasnah•3d ago•27 comments
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Mexico to US Livestock Trade halted due to Screwworm spread

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/07/09/secretary-rollins-takes-decisive-action-and-shuts-down-us-southern-border-ports-livestock-trade-due
188•burnt-resistor•3h ago

Comments

Glyptodon•3h ago
One more thing where we're going back in time. Sure seems like a new decline and fall is coming bit by bit.
neom•3h ago
I'd never head of screwworm before, turns out it's not a worm, this page is pretty decent: https://cr.usembassy.gov/sections-offices/aphis/screwworm-pr...

"A screwworm infestation is caused by larvae of the fly Cochliomyia hominivorax. These larvae can infest wounds of any warm-blooded animal, including human beings. The screwworm fly is about twice the size of a regular house fly and can be distinguished by its greenish-blue color and its large reddish-orange eyes.

Infestations can occur in any open wound, including cuts, castration wounds, navels of newborn animals, and tick bites. The wounds often contain a dark, foul-smelling discharge. Screwworm larvae distinguish themselves from other species by feeding only on the living flesh, never dead tissue. Once a wound is infested, the screwworm can eventually kill the animal or human, literally eating it alive." - Sounds great.

guerrilla•2h ago
> Screwworm larvae distinguish themselves from other species by feeding only on the living flesh, never dead tissue.

What assholes. :(

lazide•2h ago
Yeah the switch on these guys was definitely flipped to ‘evil’
mc32•2h ago
The key to managing this pest [edit: after it breaches the isthmus program] is through active monitoring, treating infested wounds as well as conducting castration and dehorning in less active months. It’s not like cattle herds didn’t exist prior to the 1950s.
tptacek•2h ago
That's in fact not how screwworms are managed; the "border" of screwworm prevalence was managed by spreading sterilized male screwworms.
mc32•1h ago
That’s how we manage them now. I mean before we had that program, we dealt with the pest/infestation that way and we can in the future too if need be to combat what’s getting through. Obviously neutralizing them down in the isthmus is preferred but we’re seeing them come up from Mexico now. So if you have a minor infestation that’s how you treat it to address whatever gets missed by the sterilization program.

It doesn’t render the cattle or meat from the cattle useless. Obviously if affected cattle are untreated they will succumb to pest.

tptacek•1h ago
The whole reason this is newsworthy is that the system we had prior to eradication was not good.
mc32•1h ago
Yes, obviously; but it’s not the end of the cattle industry as some make it out to be.

To clarify: it was never eradicated. It’s been actively managed and kept at bay. Now it’s punching through some holes.

tptacek•55m ago
Because we stopped doing the thing that works. Your earlier point, that we can just as easily return to herd management strategies, was wrong.
mc32•40m ago
What did we stop doing? The sterilization program is ongoing.

There are always periodic outbreaks in Central America and Mexico. The current one started in 2023.

One common vector is illegal cattle trafficking.

colechristensen•3h ago
Here's a video describing the system that fell apart which had been working for a long time to keep these flies out of north america

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olj8arvfYj4

neutered_knot•3h ago
A story from 2020 about how effective the US funded anti-screwworm program used to be.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/05/flesh-ea...

Archive link: https://archive.ph/3sD9d

ajmurmann•2h ago
Why is it "used to be"? I've heard about the program before and thought it was incredible. What happened to it?

Edit: Brief research tells me the screwworms broke though to Mexico in November 2024 after cases started increasing north of the Darian Gap throughout 2023 (https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/program-update/new-world-scr...). It does seem like the funding now is happening through USDA rather than USAID (https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/cattle/...) and there likely was a funding gap. As much as I like to blame the current administration for defunding USAID the breakthrough happened earlier.

cogman10•2h ago
DOGE. It was ran by USAID.
treetalker•2h ago
Make America Grubby Again
smallmancontrov•2h ago
Elon was the real screwworm all along.
mindslight•1h ago
Musk certainly shares responsibility, but focusing responsibility on him lets others escape blame - eg Trump, Congress, the corpo and individual edgelord enablers sanguine about chaos, etc.

And frankly, it's sad enough for Musk already - richest guy in the world, he could have actually done something politically on his own, and yet he still ends up being used as a useful idiot scapegoat by a con artist. "But Trump promised he cared about the debt!!1!1!"

VladVladikoff•2h ago
It was failing long before this. The border used to be down by Panama.
cogman10•2h ago
The first sign of spread past panama was seen in Nov 2024. Parasites can spread fast and the US/Mexico needed to react fast to the fact that it spread past panama.

In a critical time when monitoring and action were desperately needed, we eliminated the agency that'd do that.

literalAardvark•2h ago
It wasn't a critical time, it was late.

If there had been any political will for this things would have been set in motion since 2023, likely even before that when the reports from the scientists working on control started pouring in.

Blaming a few weeks of funding lapse one year into an outbreak in a control project that's been running for decades is absurd.

From a link in this thread: However, since 2023, cases have been increasing in number and spreading north from Panama to Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, Belize, and Mexico.

asacrowflies•2h ago
Late is still a critical time...perhaps more critical.
cogman10•2h ago
Fair point.

The cost to fight this back will definitely exponentially increase.

tptacek•1h ago
Ok, but where did you get that Nov '24 date from? You just agreed with a comment that falsified that claim.
smallmancontrov•2h ago
The border didn't magically eradicate the flies on one side. Pushing the border down to the Darien Gap took work, but we did it before and can do it again. The real problem is the gleeful destruction of government capacity to do things like this.
tptacek•2h ago
Yes, that's true, but the point the parent commenter was making is that recent previous administrations also didn't take this problem seriously.
smallmancontrov•1h ago
Who was president in 2020 again?
tptacek•1h ago
You get that there was a president between 2020 and now, right? Nobody is sticking up for Trump; they're just saying, this particular bad thing isn't a DOGE outcome.
rdl•2h ago
And the Panama border (Darien Gap, specifically) used to be a stronger natural barrier; humans have been crossing it for years, are starting to graze cows within the exclusion zone, etc.
jfengel•2h ago
Yeah, it got cut back in March.

https://kbhbradio.com/usda-cuts-budget-staff-for-animal-dise...

Part of it was restored a couple of months later.

throwup238•2h ago
Funding was recently cut but this infestation has been building for years. The key failure that caused this current outbreak was during COVID. The lockdowns shut down both the release flights by the US and the mosquito breeding facilities in Latina America, grinding the whole pest control program to a halt.
Noumenon72•2h ago
Someone must have decided they weren't "essential". Big mistake.
andsoitis•2h ago
Not essential. We can eat less beef. Better for health, the environment.
kristjansson•2h ago
And we should encourage that by leveraging the response to a natural disaster to advance your particular policy goals?
ajmurmann•2h ago
Doesn't this impact wildlife as well? Apparently the Florida Key Deer was threatened by this a decade ago: https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2017-01-15/screwworm-infesta...
Numerlor•2h ago
Screwworm also infects wildlife and occasionally humans, it's really not something you want to have in the area if you can help it
raverbashing•2h ago
Funny, you don't seem to have beef with the worm eating beef

But it can and does infect humans and other animals

AlecSchueler•1h ago
They didn't say they had beef with anyone eating beef.
lazide•2h ago
Screwworms will eat people too, if allowed to. You really don’t want them in your area.
SoftTalker•1h ago
Already happening. Beef is rapidly becomming unaffordable. A steak at the supermarket is >$20. Can't imagine what they cost at a restaurant. I've switched to mostly turkey, chicken, and pork.
alephnerd•1h ago
That's due to issues around monopolization in the Dairy and Cattle industry in the US [1].

70% of all processors in the dairy and cattle industry are now owned by 3 companies. Processors don't own cattle - they just process raw material like dairy and meat into cheese and pasteurized milk and handle the entire supply chain. But because they control the supply chain, distribution, and even the feed [0] used they can set rates and vendors used by farmers.

I posted an article about this earlier on HN, but it seems HNers like to talk about antitrust for search engines and not dairy and beef production.

Antitrust for me, oligopolic market forces for thee.

[0] - https://www.landolakesinc.com/what-we-do/animal-nutrition/

[1] - https://www.thebullvine.com/news/will-your-dairy-farm-surviv...

___________

To u/andrew_lettuce below:

Canada has the exact same issue of processor consolidation and oligopoly in agriculture as the US [0][1][2]

Arguably, it's worse than the US because this process started in the 1990s in Canada [3] versus the 2010s in the US.

[0] - https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/terrence-galarneau/blog/4...

[1] - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7350140/

[2] - https://financialpost.com/commodities/agriculture/why-only-t...

[3] - https://www.eap.mcgill.ca/MagRack/RH/RH_E_97_05.htm

gruez•1h ago
Is this supported by the data? During the pandemic people were also blaming "monopolization" or "consolidation" for the rise in grocery prices, but in reality the margins of publicly traded supermarket companies went up by a percentage point or two.
alephnerd•1h ago
Yep. To quote The Bullvine [0] (Axios for the cattle and dairy industry):

"Here’s another force reshaping the industry that has nothing to do with immigration: processor consolidation. According to industry analysis, just three major cooperatives—Dairy Farmers of America, Land O’Lakes, and California Dairies—now handle over 80% of the nation’s milk marketing.

These processors need massive, consistent volumes. New processing plants require millions of pounds of milk per day to operate efficiently. From a logistical standpoint, it’s far more efficient to contract with a dozen 5,000-cow dairies than 500 smaller operations.

I was at a dairy conference in Wisconsin last year where a DFA representative candidly admitted: “We’re building plants that need 4-5 million pounds per day. We can’t deal with 200 small farms—we need 10 large ones.”

This “processor pull” creates powerful incentives for farm-level consolidation. I’ve seen it happen firsthand in regions where a new mega-processing plant opens—suddenly, there’s pressure on every farm in the area to either scale up or get squeezed out"

Also [1]

-----------

The fact that a country like India can support 228 milk cooperatives each generating around $500M-2B in revenue and outcompete American dairy+cattle in production and even reducing environmental impact with marginal subsidizes [2] means distribution+processing consolidation and it's side effects (cattle monoculture, non-competitive prices given to farmers, dairy processers NOW becoming animal feed manufacturers) are a good example of market failures due to oligopolic control.

No one at the WI and MI state Dem level is chatting about this based on some of my own meeting with them recently. This is the kind of swing vote topic that can flip all 3 branches of government in 26 and 28.

If someone like me who has been somewhat hesitant about Lina Khan until after getting deep into the dairy industry recently, I think HNers should recognize the opportunity this provides. 84% of Americans consume dairy and dairy products [3] - this is an easy win if some sympathy was provided.

Yet, the comments I'm seeing here on HN (and with those who I chatted with at the state level Dems) are reminiscent to those who blamed autoworkers and coalworkers for not learning to code back in 2014.

[0] - https://www.thebullvine.com/dairy-industry/dairys-great-cons...

[1] - https://www.thebullvine.com/news/will-your-dairy-farm-surviv...

[2] - https://www.thebullvine.com/dairy-industry/from-extinction-t...

[3] - https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/agriculture/our-insights...

ModernMech•1h ago
Market failures due to oligarchic control is the natural end state of capitalism. Everything is going as intended, the point of the system is to produce oligarchs, not efficient markets.
alephnerd•1h ago
Not necessarily.

It is mainstream economic and political opinion to regulate in some manner to reduce market consolidation since the 1940s with the Herfindahl–Hirschman Index.

ModernMech•47m ago
I think necessarily. I don’t think it’s possible to devise a capitalist system that doesn’t devolve into oligarchic control. Markets can’t be regulated like the theory wants, because capitalists just use their wealth to take over the politicians. They are able to do this because they control so much wealth. To prevent this hack, you’d have to take control of capital away from the capitalists, thus defeating the core idea of capitalism.
gruez•1h ago
By "data" I was referring to data to support the claim that consolidation led to increase in prices (eg. margin expansion), not that consolidation was happening at all. It's the same with supermarkets. There's no doubt that consolidation was happening, and there's even evidence that it led to higher prices, but the absolute effect on grocery bills seems to be marginal.
rcpt•51m ago
Lina Khan was in power for years and didn't do anything about this.

Closest thing was a case where she blocked Sanderson Farms from being acquired but that was poultry.

alephnerd•45m ago
She was starting to concentrate on the Ag consolidation [0] but my interpretation is she targeted tech first due to the industry's somewhat weaker political position in both admins.

She also didn't touch Comcast - and they are the kingmakers in PA and DE.

[0] - https://www.law.nyu.edu/news/katzmann-lecture-lina-khan-talk...

jncfhnb•42m ago
Profit margin increasing by a percentage point on a low margin business is potentially significant
andrew_lettuce•23m ago
This isn't true in Canada and we're seeing as big of price increases for beef, greater than the US for ground beef. This is a supply issue while demand has increased. Drought and costs have also impacted herd size
HDThoreaun•1h ago
Im still getting outer skirt for $8 a pound at my grocery. Seems pretty affordable to me
genghisjahn•1h ago
I get great cuts of steak for less than $10 all the time.
SoftTalker•1h ago
At a supermarket? Or local butcher/processor?
alephnerd•1h ago
> Better for health, the environment.

India has an equally large cattle industry that outproduces American dairy and cattle, yet their industry has a fraction of the carbon and methane impact as American dairy and cattle rearing [0] because the feed used in Indian industry is crop residue instead of industrialized meat+grain mixtures.

American Ag is hyperconsolidated into 3 processors [1] which makes it difficult for innovations to develop, whereas an equally large country like India has 228 local run dairy cooperatives and multiple private sector players each generating around $500M-2B in revenue.

Yet, the comments I'm seeing here on HN (and with those who I chatted with at the state level Dems) are reminiscent to those who blamed autoworkers and coalworkers for not learning to code back in 2014.

If someone like me who has been somewhat hesitant about Lina Khan until after getting deep into the dairy industry recently, I think HNers should recognize the value this train of thought can have in 2026 and 2028.

84% of Americans consume dairy or dairy alternative (still synthesized using dairy) products [2] - don't make this yet another culture war topic

[0] - https://www.thebullvine.com/dairy-industry/from-extinction-t...

[1] - https://www.thebullvine.com/news/will-your-dairy-farm-surviv...

[2] - https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/agriculture/our-insights...

gruez•1h ago
>India has an equally large cattle industry that outproduces American dairy and cattle

That's a tad misleading. The statistics I could find only says that India outproduces the US in dairy, not beef. Rounding

>yet their industry has a fraction of the carbon and methane impact as American dairy and cattle rearing [0]

I did a cursory search in your source for "carbon" and "methane" and couldn't find anything to back this claim, only vague claims about how India does "Regenerative farming" and is therefore "low methane".

>because the feed used in Indian industry is crop residue instead of industrialized meat+grain mixtures.

That's not scalable and only works because the country is poor and beef/dairy consumption isn't high. There's no way you can supply American level demand for beef/dairy by only using crop residue.

>American Ag is hyperconsolidated into 3 processors which makes it difficult for innovations to develop, whereas an equally large country like India has 26 state run dairy cooperatives and multiple private sector players.

You can easily tell an opposite story about how consolidate companies have bigger budgets for R&D and capital projects, as opposed to 26 cooperatives each trying to implement some sort of strategy.

mahirsaid•13m ago
Regardless, it's terrible to have around you. Your dog will have it too if let be. they do need to be controlled if it gets out of hand. Better now than when its a bigger problem.
zahlman•1h ago
Screwworms will also infect humans, with horrific and potentially fatal consequences.
FpUser•1h ago
>"Not essential. We can eat less beef. Better for health, the environment."

We can also live in a cave, better for the environment.

f1shy•49m ago
Or just dissapear (which btw, no joking, is what some people propose)
spamizbad•1h ago
I guess nature is “finding a way” after all…
artursapek•38m ago
125lb take
ben_w•57s ago
While I am a vegetarian, there's multiple different ways in which something can be "essential".

Anyone going "let's stop a thing today which will messes with a non-trivial fraction of our food production in a few years' time, without preparing either that food sector nor the dietary choices of the consumers before that happens" is definitely making a high-risk strategic choice.

crawsome•45m ago
Twice
zahlman•1h ago
> Brief research tells me the screwworms broke though to Mexico in November 2024 after cases started increasing north of the Darian Gap throughout 2023

Elsewhere in the thread people have posted explainer videos (of how the program works) from 2024 that seem entirely unaware of any such breach.

starkparker•1m ago
Smuggling's also a contributing factor, at least in Honduras: https://www.drovers.com/news/industry/surprising-link-betwee...
JKCalhoun•57m ago
Great (gross) video from the Department of Energy (1960) on how the screwworm was defeated: https://youtu.be/QFoOnS6CWSI
mistyvales•3h ago
Didn't they pull funding for mitigation programs regarding this? Or was that rescinded?
ethan_smith•2h ago
Yes, the USDA-APHIS Screwworm Barrier Maintenance Program had its funding reduced by 30% in the 2024 budget, which significantly impacted sterile fly production capacity at the Panama facility.
Panoramix•1h ago
citation?

USDA approved an emergency funding of 165 million in 2024 for this issue

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/agency-announcements/usda-ap...

sejje•41m ago
If he says the budget was reduced, isn't the citation already made?

Government budgets are usually public. Do you want a secondary source, like a news article?

drhodes•3h ago
A recent, relevant video from Kurzgesagt: How Nuclear Flies Protect You from Flesh-Eating Parasites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxq60I5RSW8
raaron773•2h ago
I was wondering where i heard the term screwworm before!
cogman10•2h ago
USAID was in charge of the program which monitored screwworm spread in central and south america. The way you combat screwworm is by releasing sterile male flies in screwworm outbreak areas.
LMYahooTFY•2h ago
Do you have a source? Because this appears to be false. I can't find anything indicating it was funded by USAID.

Everything I'm reading says it has been funded by USDA, and in fact funding has been significantly increased during 2025.

cogman10•2h ago
https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/22636-bird-flu-screwworm...

USDA manages the production of the sterile flies. USAID was a major funding source for the UN Food and Agriculture Organization which did the monitoring.

nnutter•1h ago
I appreciate you citing the USAID funding but you seem to be trying to prove a point rather than get to the truth. Screwworm detection and prevention was not halted because of the USAID shutdown, USDA is actively working on it, one can see this by going to usda.gov and searching for "screwworm". I really appreciate ajmurmann's edit which acknowledges this.
bryant•44m ago
https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/22636-bird-flu-screwworm...

> Among the GHS projects killed were some dedicated to *monitoring and containing avian flu and New World Screwworm in Central America, monitoring* avian flu outbreaks in Asia and improving the detection of new strains, and efforts to combat swine fever, according to a person familiar with the situation granted anonymity to speak frankly.

you might not have intended to mislead, but the cited source indicates that at least some were defined and thus halted, in partial contradiction to your line "Screwworm detection and prevention was not halted because of the USAID shutdown"

mkoubaa•59m ago
I don't see why a trade group of affected industries can't collectively fund this
grej•2h ago
The US successfully eradicated screwworms here in 1966 with a brilliant integrated sterile insect technique - I think the very first use of it (and had previously funded helping other countries control it also). But if we had another outbreak spread, I doubt there's any shred of competence left in this current gutted federal government to do anything like that again. Maybe they can have the new ICE folks try to deport the screwworm flies.
jfengel•2h ago
They announced funding to do it again, back in June. But I have no idea if there's anyone around to pay.
superxpro12•2h ago
Lead times are asymmetric.
luketaylor•58m ago
The current plan was announced here a few weeks ago: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/06/...
amoshebb•2h ago
Some folks are posting about the regular flights over Panama, and I’ve seen talk about ending screwworm with a “gene drive”, but I also feel that it doesn’t feel necessary.

But a third option I don’t see talked about a lot: finish the job. We could drop sterile flies all over the USA and Mexico all the way into panama with 1950s tech. We have drones now, surely some inexpensive paper planes shoved out of the back of hercs could cover roughly all of south america for fairly cheap.

throwup238•2h ago
There is no finishing the job. Screwworm flies have tons of reservoirs in the jungles of Central America that aren’t practical to eliminate for logistical and ecological reasons. We can only control the population in agriculturally important areas by constantly releasing the sterile male flies every year. Whenever we stop the releases, the flies bounce back in a few years.
rdl•1h ago
The durable reservoirs are in South America, not Central America. We actually eradicated it (at least essentially) all the way down to the Darien Gap.
whynotmaybe•2h ago
> This is maintained with stringent animal movement controls, surveillance, trapping, and following the proven science to push the NWS barrier south in phases as quickly as possible.

Why add "proven" before science?

Nobody expects the USDA to handle such problems with "unproven science", for whatever it could be.

For decades they've made the sterilized flies by exposing them to gamma radiation that damages their reproductive system and it's been effective.

Am I getting doubtful of every announcement from this administration or are they trying to tackle conspiracy theories from the start?

jeff_lee•2h ago
Feels like we had the cure in our hands and just let the disease walk back in.
db48x•44m ago
The “cure” is an unceasing war. Then COVID hit and the war ceased for a few months.
Eextra953•38m ago
So with pests and viruses there is no real eradication? Do they really require an unceasing war to reign them in? I have no knowledge of this field - just curious.
hotep99•13m ago
Screwworms could probably be eradicated in theory but it would require spreading the sterile fly program to the entirety of the Americas which isn't going to happen. There would always be a pocket somewhere in the Amazon of fertile flies so it isn't really viable. The point of stopping them at the Darien Gap was that there was a geographically small area where their spread could be halted from entering Central and North America and re-establishing themselves.
thrown-0825•2h ago
I assumed this was a computer virus affecting an exchange based on it being at the top of HN.
dlisboa•2h ago
With this and the tariffs on Brazil the US consumer is going to feel it.
Pxtl•2h ago
This was literally one of the first North American disasters I saw predicted as falling out of the Doge cuts.
renewiltord•1h ago
The barrier failure happened last year due to covid related supply chain issues that eventually reached the end of the bullwhip and was announced then.
Eextra953•47m ago
Any other predictions you saw/see coming? I feel like it would be useful to collect all of the predictions from people with domain knowledge and then build a website to track them all. Whether or not they happen, who knows, but being able to track them should be a big help in building a narrative of what is really happening vs media narratives that are hyper localized in time and often do a terrible job of explaining the long history of events.
Bender•1h ago
Whether your meat comes form South America or the US or the EU, always wear gloves when handling raw meats and don't touch your face. There are thousands of types of dangerous larvae that can infect via the eyes rubbing the eyes or the nose picking ones nose when handling raw meats and vegetables. Cutting meat slices thinner and cooking them well kills larvae. Marinating meats with something that contains acetic acid also helps. Stomach acid takes care of the rest.

Beware of the fear porn spreading around this issue. I have already seen articles posted showing what happens when rubbing ones eyes or picking ones nose after handling raw food and of course it is horrific but screw worms are just one of many real risks. Food handlers in first world countries are taught not to touch their faces and to wear gloves among many other safety practices with raw meats and vegetables. Everyone both vegetarian and carnivore unknowingly eat many types of larvae, bacteria, mold, fungus and insects all the time.

I know I will get beat up for going against the agenda but I am that guy.

Aurornis•1h ago
> I know I will get beat up for going against the agenda but I am that guy.

Food safety with raw meets isn’t really going against the agenda.

renewiltord•1h ago
What's with everyone saying they know some secret that everyone else is trying to suppress?

Is it just that we all spend time in our bubble and take that to other groups?

I don't even know what agenda he's going against by saying one should be careful around raw meat. Who's on the other side of this?

sejje•45m ago
He's so effectively standing alone that nobody dare stand against him.
f1shy•30m ago
I have had lots of discussions with people who insist in eating all raw. I have been in a restaurant where a teenager ordered a raw beef right beaid us. Made me sick just of seeing, feeling the raw meat smell, and hearing the chewing. I have seen enough “chefs” handling raw meat in tv, putting it literally seconds in heat, and basically eating raw. There is no agenda, but I do see a trend.
wahnfrieden•26m ago
The shock of it is gamed for TikTok and Reels virality
1718627440•11m ago
I thought not eating raw meat was more of an US thing, here in Europe/Germany there are some dishes that consists of raw meat, and that doesn't mean heated for seconds. Guess that's why we also have stricter hygiene rules.
belter•7m ago
The french steak tartare is very common in France, in many corporate canteen.
f1shy•36m ago
>> always wear gloves when handling raw meats and don't touch your face.

Ecoli alone should be enough to be careful with handling raw meats (of any animal) and of course the worms and other things. Specially if you have ANY wounds, small as they are, if e.g. lemon juice burns, is an open wound.

Also meat should be cooked properly. Lately seems to be kind of hype, almost a competition, who eats the rawer meat. 5 star chefs are pushing more and more red, even I have seen “chefs” simply literally laying meat for 5 seconds. The texture is gummy, taste horrible, and just dangerous.

1718627440•13m ago
That won't help your costumers that eat the raw meat you prepared, you still need to have proper hygiene in the complete food chain.
erredois•1h ago
Coming from a family that has cattle and dairy cows in south eastern Brazil, where screwworm is endemic, I was surprised when I listened to a podcast about screwworm, and some of the descriptions about how huge the problem was in the US. After some research it appears it affects more climates that are always hot and humid, and big operations where the animals are not being checked frequently. Also the handling at the 60s was probably much worse than modern techniques for avoiding animals being hurt and treating when they are infected.
Aurornis•1h ago
> I was surprised when I listened to a podcast about screwworm, and some of the descriptions about how huge the problem was in the US.

It’s not a huge problem in the US. We eradicated screwworm in the 60s.

We are trying very hard to keep it out. The US normally works very hard to monitor and prevent these situations in trade partners.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flesh-eating-scre...

nabla9•56m ago
‘Man-eating’ screw worm turns hospital into horror show https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

Mexican Livestock halted while US is in trade war with Brazil (21 percent of all US beef imports).

ryanmerket•45m ago
July 9th? Wrong date or is this a month old?
xipho•42m ago
Very hard to escape biology unless you invest in understanding it. Ticks, mosquito-born diseases, agricultural pests, they don't care about AI, politics, or space-races or geo political boundaries. We, on the other hand, require life to go on, it's asynchronous.

This is why natural history collections, and taxonomists are going to be more critical than ever, at some point we'll need to re-invest in knowing what's out there, and, more importantly how and why it's different than what we knew before. Biodiversity is vast, this isn't easy.

Companies that anticipate this (we know we're going to get a billion requests for "what's this fly", how can we monitize this?), and also actully understand that species are literally invaluable lab experiments running millions of years, are bound to benefit. In a not so distance Scifi future will we see big pharma, defense, etc. protecting areas and their environments because they finally grok this?

zwnow•33m ago
I highly doubt big pharma will intervene. Humans only care about the foreseeable future. Our interest and actions regarding climate change shows that openly to each and everyone of us.
paulcole•18m ago
In what is it “asynchronous”?
guhcampos•18m ago
I think mr Trump will have to seriously rethink the 50% tariff he put on our (Brazilian) meat imports then. Interesting.
chris_wot•1m ago
America put a large tariff on Australian beef. We don’t have this.

Guess you all like eating expensive beef.