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43•pentacent_hq•18m ago•4 comments

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282•lemper•8h ago•104 comments

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170•us-merul•3d ago•55 comments

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303•amarcheschi•7h ago•171 comments

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106•skar01•1d ago•87 comments
Open in hackernews

Blood oxygen monitoring returning to Apple Watch in the US

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/08/an-update-on-blood-oxygen-for-apple-watch-in-the-us/
159•thm•4h ago

Comments

brandonb•4h ago
Apple was in a patent dispute over this feature with Massimo. Their workaround is to calculate blood oxygen on the iPhone, using the sensors from Apple Watch.

The Apple Watch hardware is otherwise the same. The back of the watch shines light of a specific wavelength into your skin and measures the reflected light. Heart rate sensing uses green (525 nm) and infrared (850–940 nm) light; blood oxygen sensing added a red light at 660 nm in 2020.

The iPhone will now calculate the ratio of absorbed red to infrared light, then apply calibration constants from experimental data to estimate blood oxygen saturation.

More detailed writeup on how the technology works is here: https://www.empirical.health/metrics/oxygen/

BallsInIt•2h ago
Software patents are a scourge.
sneak•2h ago
The whole concept of software patents is a hack; as I understand it algorithms as a rule cannot be patented, so the system running the algorithm is patented instead. This seems to illustrate the absurdity of that workaround.
0cf8612b2e1e•1h ago
I would be a bit more sympathetic if this was not about a trillion dollar company who poached some employees rather than engage in a licensing deal.
spogbiper•1h ago
25 employees including the CTO, and then bought a building nearby to Masimo's office for them to work in. At least according to the CEO of Masimo in public statements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1o8EoW-Eg
thebruce87m•1h ago
Sounds good for the employees, so go Apple?
spogbiper•1h ago
Yes, very good for the employees. Apple even offered them 2x their salaries to leave Masimo.
FirmwareBurner•16m ago
Yes "very good", until Apple decides to mass-layoff some of them, because now, having killed their primary competitor in the field, Apple can do whatever they want and get away with it because those employees have nowhere else to go in the area. 200+ IQ move.

How people on HN can support monopolization of markets and killing of competition is beyond me, since in the end it always bites them in the ass, yet this lesson seems to be quickly forgotten.

johnfn•13m ago
Is there evidence of Apple doing this in the past?
mrcwinn•9m ago
(I couldn't reply down another level.)

>How HN can support monopolization of markets and killing of [sic] competition is beyond me.

That suggests HN is a monoculture of some sort of united front. It is not. Diversity of opinion is best for this community (and all communities).

And, sorry, what competition was killed off here? I, as the consumer, was never considering Massimo for my blood oxygen measurement needs. I bought an Apple Watch and just want it to be as feature-full as possible. So does Apple.

soperj•1h ago
lol from the company that colluded with multiple other companies to keep developer salaries down.
krferriter•1h ago
Good for everyone except whoever had money invested in Masimo
scarface_74•1h ago
Similar to what HNers are so happy to say about restaurant owners who actually have to be profitable and can’t depend on the largess of investors, if Masimo can’t afford to pay market rates to developers, the company doesn’t deserve to exist.
blizdiddy•28m ago
This, but unironically
nkrisc•25m ago
I think the good is offset by Apple using its other hand to suppress wages for other employees by engaging in “no poaching” practices with other companies.

Probably a net-negative.

OkayPhysicist•1h ago
It's really easy to avoid your employees being "poached": treat them well, and pay them better.
gibolt•1h ago
I generally agree, but the company likely doesn't have those funds. Considering the largest player (Apple) stands to make way more from it than you and just works around your patent.

Not arguing Apple shouldn't poach, just that your suggestion doesn't work.

OkayPhysicist•16m ago
The company made a billion dollars in profit last year. I doubt Apple was willing to pay anywhere near that amount to hire an employee.
boringg•1h ago
Wow you must work for a company with incredibly deep pockets. No way can massimo compete on salary with apple. Only people in the game who can do that are google facebook apple chatgpt etc.
scarface_74•1h ago
And as a hypothetical sought after employee, how is that my problem? If another company wants to roll a shit ton of money up to my doorstep, why shouldn’t I take it?

Should I be treating my employer “like family” and care about “the mission”?

hu3•49m ago
It's about the company anti-competitive behaviour. No one said anything about the employees.
JustExAWS•43m ago
The company is being “anticompetitive” by offering someone more money? Should we now make that illegal too?
Dayshine•35m ago
Well, we've made other situations where companies offer people money illegal. Such as bribery, or paying someone to steal trade secrets.
JustExAWS•29m ago
And neither is alleged. It was a patent that we are discussing which by definition isn’t a trade secret.

But you are coming awfully close to advocating for non competes which is explicitly not allowed in CA.

lurk2•31m ago
Acquisitions can be considered anticompetitive. The only thing that appears to differentiate this situation from an acquisition is that the investors didn’t get paid.
JustExAWS•16m ago
Are you suggesting that the FRC should step in when a company offers employment to a large number of employees at another company? How exactly would you propose to put this into law where it doesn’t hurt the employees?
tshaddox•16m ago
This is the exact opposite of being anti-competitive.
do_not_redeem•48m ago
As an employee you shouldn't care, but if you're someone who wants technological progress to continue, you should care whether companies with a slush fund of billions are able to bully those with less money.
JustExAWS•41m ago
You mean like the innovation that someone else here said that was denied a patent in Japan because of prior art?

We like software patents now?

do_not_redeem•29m ago
I skimmed this and it doesn't look like a software patent to me. It's a giant long description of the hardware.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10912502B2/

runako•24m ago
Masimo was worth ~$16B when this was going down. They are worth $8B today. This is roughly the size of American Airlines. Masimo is not the biggest company, but they are a large publicly-traded company.

The company does $2B in revenue and spends close to $800 million annually in sales, general and admin. This is over 3x their R&D budget. (For reference, Apple's R&D spend is higher than its SG&A spend.)

Per levels.fyi, Masimo is paying senior SDEs in HCOL $150k. They could 10x the comp to these critical employees without it being more than a rounding error in their numbers. (I don't think they would have had to go to 10x. Most people would practically tattoo a brand on themselves for a one-time bonus of $1m.)

Long story short: Masimo does indeed have the money to compete on salary with Apple for this set of employees. They chose to spend the money on attorneys instead.

Some companies don't value engineers. That often works, until they end up in an engineering competition against companies that do value engineers.

boringg•13m ago
Im not saying they pay them well or not. Theres just not a comparison on comp they could do. That you don't understand the power dynamics between that is something you will hopefully learn about the world as you become more experienced. Apple would just offer more at the end of the day.
OkayPhysicist•18m ago
As long as a company is turning a profit, they by definition can afford to be paying their employees better. As a company you can choose not to, but it also means you get to suffer the consequences, and lose the right to complain that your employees were "poached" when in reality it was simply a matter of you not paying them enough to stay.
hu3•1h ago
that doesn't work when Apple can pay them multiples "more well".

the sensible thing would be to license the tech

soperj•1h ago
Or just collude with your rival companies ala Steve Jobs.
7thpower•1h ago
- is what Tim Cook told himself to vanquish the last bit of uneasiness. Then he took of his glasses, set them on the night stand, and slept better than he had in years.
scarface_74•1h ago
I hate the word “poaching”. A company offered employees more money in exchange for their labor.

I see no issue. Would you have preferred what happened in the Jobs era where 7 of the largest tech firms colluded not to hire from each other’s company?

Teever•46m ago
Apple is able to do what they do now because of the shit they got away with in the Jobs era.

Because they hobbled competitors and innovation then they're able to do it now.

It's really hard to determine how detrimental their actions have been to the job market for software engineers.

It is entirely possible that every software engineer is worse off because Apple severely distorted the market and prevented many competitors from growing to be competitors to Apple and what ever offer Apple made to these people pales to what they could be making if Jobs hadn't done what he did.

JustExAWS•38m ago
You mean they hobbled poor little competitors like Google, Adobe, and the other tech companies that agreed to it? Apple was actually one of the smaller companies at the time.

How is all Apple’s fault? And are you really saying that the iPhone wouldn’t have happened if Apple hadn’t gotten into these agreements?

In your alternate universe would Nokia or Rim (who wasn’t involved in the agreement) still been relevant?

0x457•22m ago
I don't how can you patent "read sensor, and process readings on device" I get if how it's actual sensor was patented, not "read and compute"
anonu•38m ago
I dont think the patent in question is for software: https://patents.google.com/patent/US10912502B2/en
Angostura•2h ago
> The iPhone will now calculate the ratio of absorbed red to infrared light, then apply calibration constants from experimental data to estimate blood oxygen saturation.

Sorry, maybe I missed it - but source for this?

chedabob•2h ago
It's in the Apple PR https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/08/an-update-on-blood-ox...

> sensor data from the Blood Oxygen app on Apple Watch will be measured and calculated on the paired iPhone

unglaublich•2h ago
Crazy that this is a 'patent'. We did this experiment in high school 30 years ago.
spogbiper•1h ago
almost as crazy as a patent for a rectangle with rounded corners
mbirth•26m ago
You mean a Squircle®
BugsJustFindMe•2h ago
Phenomenal that the patent is only violated by doing it with the watch cpu but not by funneling the data to a separate cpu. The surest sign that it's a bullshit patent.
kube-system•1h ago
They're all like that. Patents are pretty specific.
abirch•38m ago
If they're not very specific there's frequently prior art.
CalChris•2h ago
Massimo invented this technology (yay Massimo!) in the 90s yet their Japanese patents [1] weren't considered prior art (WTF?) because of technical legal reasons.

[1] https://patents.google.com/patent/JP2002542493A5/en%EF%BF%BC

So I suppose if Massimo is going to use a technical legality to extend then Apple can use a technical legality to avoid.

7thpower•1h ago
That is interesting, had not understood this previously.
parsimo2010•28m ago
Masimo only refined pulse oximetry in the 90s, as pulse oximetry was invented in the 1970s (prior oximeters did not resemble the devices seen today). Everything after that has been tweaks/improvements to the base method, but I wouldn't call them the inventors of the technology.

The only IP that companies can own now are specific methods/improvements, not the base idea of measuring SpO2 with light. All Apple has to do is avoid the specific improvements that Masimo owns and they are fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_oximetry#History

mandeepj•1h ago
Hopefully blood glucose monitoring will come soon as well
SJMG•1h ago
I'm out of the loop, can this be done without drawing blood now?
borski•1h ago
You can do it by using interstitial fluid, which is how CGMs work.

But, in short, no, not yet: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do...

SJMG•1h ago
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification and answer.
mandeepj•53m ago
It’s been going on for a while - Non-invasive monitoring. Here’s a general link https://www.google.com/search?q=blood+glucose+patent+startup

I believe a firm in Uk holds a patent for it and Apple has partnered with them a while ago.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-takes-key-step-towards-b...

SJMG•50m ago
Very neat! If they can crack this, I might actually bite and finally buy one.
GuinansEyebrows•34m ago
i'm not a smartwatch fan for the most part but i'd get one for CGM use if it meant no more knocking my sensors off walking through doors (because i'm apparently incapable of walking without moving like a wacky inflatable tube man) or nasty adhesive residue stuck on my arms.
dmart•1h ago
Just offloading the analysis to the phone is extremely funny. It also seems like a pretty obvious solution, so I wonder if it was delayed by legal analysis and they only just decided it was likely to hold up in court.
rafram•1h ago
Apple says:

> This update was enabled by a recent U.S. Customs ruling.

I can't find the ruling in question, though, so I'm not sure what they mean.

anonu•40m ago
https://rulings.cbp.gov/ruling/H335304
DwnVoteHoneyPot•1h ago
I live in a rural area. My old fashioned doctor said to test oxygen levels, all you need to do is pinch your index finger nail down until it goes white. Then when you let go, if it goes back to pink right away, you're good. If it takes more than a few seconds, you're not good.
qgin•1h ago
That's the capillary refill test which tests circulation and perfusion. Doesn't really tell you anything about oxygen levels.
comrade1234•1h ago
I have it on my garmin and it seems pretty useless. My oxygen level while I sleep has more to do with how tightly I'm wearing it that night than anything else. It also drain the battery fast so I just disabled it.

I have a real finger-based one bought during COVID that I trust more.

neild•1h ago
In my experience, the Apple Watch blood oxygen monitoring was horribly inaccurate. It would report wildly variable results, often telling me that I had a blood oxygen level of 80% (which, if true, would indicate that I should be getting myself to an emergency room ASAP).

Regular pulse oxygen meters are cheap and reliable.

throwaway303293•1h ago
In contrast my Garmin and finger pulseox match exactly.
exabrial•1h ago
Yep, my Garmin also has matched the doctors office instrument to the 1% every time.
iamdanieljohns•11m ago
Which model do you have?
mauvehaus•46m ago
I don't know what Garmin you have, but I'm about half convinced that my Instinct's heart rate measurement is implemented by a PRNG. It's frequently off by 50% from a count/time cross-check.

It does not inspire me to move up their range when this watch eventually dies: if they can't get the basic feature working, I have a hard time seeing how they're going to manage anything trickier.

iamacyborg•38m ago
Heart rate measurement on my Garmin (fenix 7 pro range) is great, the pulse ox measurements are shit though, and absolutely rinse the battery life.
llm_nerd•27m ago
https://www.youtube.com/@TheQuantifiedScientist

That guy is a great reference, and through his videos you can find various measures where he compares devices against reference devices (e.g. the Polar H10 for heart rate for instance). A lot of the reliability of these devices relies upon a tight fit as well.

llm_nerd•1h ago
Indeed, just generally this is a silly feature that was used to sell updated devices, but has almost no value to end users. There is shockingly little diagnostic value of the reading unless you are in such a critical state that you likely want something better than an incredibly unreliable and inaccurate smartwatch feature cram.

For anyone remotely healthy, 100% of the time your real value will be between 95% and 99%, and there is almost no diagnostic value to it. Heart rate is actually interesting and is something you can learn from and work towards. SpO2 is just "eh...neat".

361994752•40m ago
as some one whose family passed away due to pneumonia, spo2 is a life saving feature if we had that back then. probably 99.9% of the time spo2 number is good enough. but the value is really about the left 0.1% . of course the false positive rate should be low enough.
jeffbee•1h ago
Wouldn't you already be super dead with a true reading of 80? Or at least unable to cognitively interpret the reading?
skadamou•44m ago
That's definitely a danger zone for healthy people but interestingly enough people with things like COPD may have a blood oxygen level in the 80s and while that is indicative of the disease, they may be totally stable and may not even need oxygen [1].

[1] https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/normal-oxygen-level-so...

tialaramex•11m ago
My grandmother's heart was completely fucked, so they'd have to adjust the alarms on the hospital monitors after checking their files when she went in. It's like "OK, well that's the problem... consults notes... Nope, apparently that is normal for her, now lets figure out what's actually wrong". It wasn't keeping regular time and it would sometimes skip, but apparently it was pumping well enough to keep her alive for several years.

Normal in humans is definitely relative and medicine has tended to assume that if we average 1000 humans (in too many cases, 1000 white college age men) that's what human normal is, which is crazy even beyond obvious problems like " people normally have 1.999 legs apparently".

ayhanfuat•33m ago
That caused me nightmares when I was first diagnosed with sleep apnea. I would check my oxygen levels during the sleep to see if my treatment is effective. Even though the CPAP machine would show a few short events Apple Watch would show levels as low as 75%. Thankfully in my next sleep study I learned that my oxygen levels were consistently above 95% and the watch is indeed very unreliable (how snug it is, which direction it is facing etc highly affect the results).
brandonb•12m ago
The FDA standard for blood oxygen sensing is within 6% absolute, 95% of the time.

So variability in the sensing is pretty normal, and you want to look at long-term trends rather than individual measurements.

conradev•12m ago
On their best days, they're accurate to within 2-4%. But so many things can trip up the reading, like melanin:

  As a result, for darker-skinned patients, oxygen saturation readings can read as normal when they are, in fact, dangerously low.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/pulse-oximeters-racial-bia...

When everyone starting looking at every percentage point of their SpO2 during COVID as if it were life or death, the FDA had to remind people of this:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/fda-brief/fda-brief-fda-warn...

You would be unable to read an accurate pulse oximeter at 80% because you would have lost consciousness. Doctors have to worry about false negatives just as much as false positives with those things.

sargun•1h ago
What's the US Customs ruling in question? > This update was enabled by a recent U.S. Customs ruling.
ezfe•1h ago
That this is okay?
anonu•48m ago
https://rulings.cbp.gov/ruling/H335304 maybe this - from January 2025

It appears the patent is for "User-Worn Device for Noninvasively Measuring a Physiological Parameter of a User". So Apple is simply moving the logic to a non user-worn device - like a phone - to get around the problem. (this is my quick read / conjecture)

Here is the original patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US10912502B2/en

freehorse•17m ago
Yeah, prob because one cannot patent an algorithm itself, but only a specific implementation. The patent was about a wearable device so i guess the workaround was to do the computations in a non-wearable device.
andrewmcwatters•46m ago
You can buy a fingertip pulse oximeter for like $10. I understand the benefits of having all of these biometric readers directly on your personal device, but the perceived stress over getting this back into the watch seems... I don't know, not wise? In poor taste? Something, but I can't articulate it well.

I mean, we don't have IR blasters on any of our personal devices anymore, and arguably it would be nice to be able to control my TV with my phone like I could with my Palm Pilot forever ago, but that's not in vogue anymore.

rblatz•13m ago
iPhone can control Apple TVs, and is able to detect which device you are nearest to and auto select it (if you have multiple)

Also all my TVs also have apps that function as a remote control.

Interestingly enough my main TV an LG has a remote that controls the tv using RF. I don’t even know if it would work with an IR blaster.