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Germany is not supporting ChatControl – blocking minority secured

https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/115184350819592476
226•xyzal•45m ago•30 comments

KDE launches its own distribution

https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1037166/caa6979c16a99c9e/
486•Bogdanp•11h ago•271 comments

DOOMscrolling: The Game

https://ironicsans.ghost.io/doomscrolling-the-game/
274•jfil•10h ago•64 comments

Show HN: Term.everything – Run any GUI app in the terminal

https://github.com/mmulet/term.everything
877•mmulet•1d ago•123 comments

ChatGPT Developer Mode: Full MCP client access

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/developer-mode
441•meetpateltech•17h ago•241 comments

Court rejects Verizon claim that selling location data without consent is legal

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/09/court-rejects-verizon-claim-that-selling-location-dat...
415•nobody9999•8h ago•39 comments

Removing yellow stains from fabric with blue light

https://phys.org/news/2025-09-yellow-fabric-blue.html
23•bookofjoe•3d ago•16 comments

Where did the Smurfs get their hats (2018)

https://www.pipelinecomics.com/beginning-bd-smurfs-hats-origin/
76•andsoitis•8h ago•25 comments

Hashed sorting is typically faster than hash tables

https://reiner.org/hashed-sorting
50•Bogdanp•3d ago•2 comments

Learning lessons from the loss of the Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad

https://www.navylookout.com/learning-the-lessons-the-loss-the-norwegian-frigate-helge-ingstad/
35•ilamont•2d ago•20 comments

A desktop environment without graphics (tmux-like)

https://github.com/Julien-cpsn/desktop-tui
84•mustaphah•2d ago•21 comments

Rewriting Dataframes for MicroHaskell

https://mchav.github.io/rewriting-dataframes-for-microhs/
41•internet_points•3d ago•1 comments

Intel's E2200 "Mount Morgan" IPU at Hot Chips 2025

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/intels-e2200-mount-morgan-ipu-at
68•ingve•11h ago•28 comments

The HackberryPi CM5 handheld computer

https://github.com/ZitaoTech/HackberryPiCM5
205•kristianpaul•2d ago•67 comments

Samsung taking market share from Apple in U.S. as foldable phones gain momentum

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/16/samsungs-us-market-share-apple-rivalry-foldable-phones.html
9•mgh2•41m ago•3 comments

Jiratui – A Textual UI for interacting with Atlassian Jira from your shell

https://jiratui.sh/
239•gjvc•19h ago•61 comments

How the tz database works (2020)

https://yatsushi.com/blog/tz-database/
4•jumbosushi•3d ago•0 comments

Launch HN: Recall.ai (YC W20) – API for meeting recordings and transcripts

87•davidgu•17h ago•43 comments

Defeating Nondeterminism in LLM Inference

https://thinkingmachines.ai/blog/defeating-nondeterminism-in-llm-inference/
258•jxmorris12•16h ago•105 comments

“No Tax on Tips” Includes Digital Creators, Too

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/no-tax-on-tips-guidance-creators-trump-t...
129•aspenmayer•17h ago•209 comments

Pontevedra, Spain declares its entire urban area a "reduced traffic zone"

https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/made-for-people-not-cars-reclaiming-european-cities/
802•robtherobber•23h ago•879 comments

Hot Chips 2025: Session 1 – CPUs – By George Cozma

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/hot-chips-2025-session-1-cpus
20•rbanffy•2d ago•1 comments

Fraudulent Publishing in the Mathematical Sciences

https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.07257
63•bikenaga•12h ago•30 comments

Clojure's Solutions to the Expression Problem

https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Clojure-Expression-Problem/
128•adityaathalye•3d ago•11 comments

A polyglot's guide to multiple-dispatch (2016)

https://eli.thegreenplace.net/2016/a-polyglots-guide-to-multiple-dispatch/
57•andsoitis•4d ago•13 comments

Show HN: Haystack – Review pull requests like you wrote them yourself

https://haystackeditor.com
68•akshaysg•15h ago•40 comments

I didn't bring my son to a museum to look at screens

https://sethpurcell.com/writing/screens-in-museums/
992•arch_deluxe•17h ago•329 comments

Mux (YC W16) Is Hiring Engineering ICs and Managers

https://mux.com/jobs
1•mmcclure•12h ago

Formally verifying a floating-point division routine with Gappa – part 1

https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/embedded-and-microcontrollers-blog/posts/formally...
28•montalbano•2d ago•2 comments

Kerberoasting

https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2025/09/10/kerberoasting/
177•feross•21h ago•61 comments
Open in hackernews

The Four Fallacies of Modern AI

https://blog.apiad.net/p/the-four-fallacies-of-modern-ai
66•13years•7h ago

Comments

warkdarrior•5h ago
> a fully self-driving car remains stubbornly just over the horizon

Someone should let Waymo, Zoox, Pony.ai, Apollo Go, and even Tesla know!

belZaah•4h ago
They know. There’s a big difference being able to navigate the 80% of everyday driving situations and doing the 20% most people manage just fine but cars struggle with. There’s a road in these parts: narrow, twisty in three dimensions, unmarked, trees close to the road. Gets jolly slippery in the winter. I can drive that road in the middle of the night in sleet. Can an autonomous car?
enos_feedler•3h ago
i think it can figure it out.
forgetfreeman•3h ago
Yes but why should it?
1718627440•1h ago
Because that's the requirement to be allowed to drive on a public road.
another_twist•4h ago
Someone should let the rest of this pack know. Waymo is in a different league.

I honestly didnt understand the arguments. Could someone TLDR please ?

kristjansson•4h ago
Part of the points of fallacies one and four is that a human can get out of the car and walk into work as a CPA or whatever, while even the autonomous-ish offerings of Waymo et al don’t necessarily advance the ball on other domains
joshribakoff•3h ago
I let them know today — when i laid on my horn while passing a Waymo stopped at a green light blocking the left turn lane — with its right blinker on.

Re: Tesla, this company paid me nearly $250,000 under multiple lemon law claims for their “self driving” software issues i identified that affected safety.

We all know what happened with Cruise, which was after i declared myself constructively dismissed.

I think the characterization in the article is fair, “self driving” is not quite there yet.

Cthulhu_•2h ago
I need to ask because I'm curious, are you using em-dashes ironically, habitually from the Before Times, or did you run your comment through chatgpt first? Or have I been brainwashed into emdash == AI always?
lovecg•2h ago
They’re putting spaces around the em-dashes which is—believe it or not—incorrect usage. ChatGPT doesn’t put in spaces. (I’m annoyed by this since I learned about em-dashes long before AI and occasionally use them in writing, which now gets me an occasional AI accusation)
1718627440•1h ago
Not the whole world has the same typographic conventions. To me omitting the word separator across a symbol designed to separate half-way sentences seems wrong.
kortilla•2h ago
Waymo doesn’t drive on highways and needs huge break in periods to even expand its boundaries in cities it’s already operating in.
samtp•2h ago
Way to argue a sentence out of context that has very little to do with the overall post.
renewiltord•4h ago
Everyone always something won’t work until it does. That’s not that interesting.
theturtlemoves•3h ago
I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself.

> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it.

I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found the original paper yet, but this blog post very much makes me want to read it.

ta20240528•3h ago
> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it.

I never under stand these kinds of statements.

Does the sun not exist until we have a word for it, did "under the rock" not exist for dinosaurs?

rolisz•2h ago
There are some folks (like Donald Hoffman) that believe that consciousness is what creates reality. He believes consciousness is the base layer of reality and then we make up physical reality.
cpa•2h ago
The sun can mean different things to different people. We usually think of it as the physical star, but for some ancient civilizations it may have been seen as a person or a god. Living with these different representations can, in a very real way, shape the reality around you. If you did not have a word for freedom, would as many desire it?
sanxiyn•2h ago
I am not sure how your sun example relates. Language is not whole of reality, but it is clearly part of reality. Memory engram of Coca-Cola is encoded in billions of human brains all over the world, and they are arrangement of atoms.
keiferski•2h ago
I think create is the wrong word choice here. Shaping reality is a better one, as it doesn't hold the implication that before language, nothing existed.

Think of it this way, though: the divisions that humans make between objects in the world are largely linguistic ones. For example, we say that the Earth is such-and-such an ecosystem with certain species occupying it. But this is more like a convenient shorthand, not a totally accurate description of reality. A more accurate description would be something like, ever-changing organisms undergo this complex process that we call evolution, and are all continually changing, so much so that the species concept is not really that clear, once you dig into it.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/species/

Where it really gets interesting, IMO, is when these divisions (which originally were mostly just linguistic categories) start shaping what's actually in the world. The concept of property is a good example. Originally it's just a legal term, but over time, it ends up reshaping the actual face of the earth, ecosystems, wars, migrations, on and on.

degamad•3h ago
I think this might be the paper being referenced:

Melanie Mitchell (2021) "Why AI is Harder Than We Think." https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.12871

That sentence is not from this paper.

namro•3h ago
*skip to slavery
sharikous•1h ago
> I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself.

I partially agree, but the idea about AI is that you need to bump into things and hurt yourself only once. Then you have a good driver you can replicate at will

jokoon•3h ago
Finally an insightful article about ai
degamad•3h ago
It was, but it punted in the conclusion...

> Mitchell in her paper compares modern AI to alchemy. It produces dazzling, impressive results but it often lacks a deep, foundational theory of intelligence.

> It’s a powerful metaphor, but I think a more pragmatic conclusion is slightly different. The challenge isn't to abandon our powerful alchemy in search of a pure science of intelligence.

But alchemy was wrong and chasing after the illusions created by the frauds who promoted alchemy held back the advancement of science for a long time.

We absolutely should have abandoned alchemy as soon as we saw that it didn't work, and moved to figuring out the science of what worked.

dumpsterdiver•2h ago
You know what they say though about folks who don’t know any better:

https://home.cern/news/news/physics/alice-detects-conversion...

musicale•1h ago
> But alchemy was wrong

Yet alchemists developed and refined many important chemical processes including crystallization, distillation, evaporation, synthesis of acids/bases/salts, etc., as well as many useful substances and compounds from gunpowder to aqua regia. Also various dyes, drugs, and poisons. Their ranks included the likes of Paracelsus, Tycho Brahe, Boyle, and Newton.

shubhamjain•3h ago
> The primary counterargument can be framed in terms of Rich Sutton's famous essay, "The Bitter Lesson," which argues that the entire history of AI has taught us that attempts to build in human-like cognitive structures (like embodiment) are always eventually outperformed by general methods that just leverage massive-scale computation

This reminds me Douglas Hofstadter, of the Gödel, Escher, Bach fame. He rejected all of this statistical approaches towards creating intelligence and dug deep into the workings of human mind [1]. Often, in the most eccentric ways possible.

> ... he has bookshelves full of these notebooks. He pulls one down—it’s from the late 1950s. It’s full of speech errors. Ever since he was a teenager, he has captured some 10,000 examples of swapped syllables (“hypodeemic nerdle”), malapropisms (“runs the gambit”), “malaphors” (“easy-go-lucky”), and so on, about half of them committed by Hofstadter himself.

>

> For Hofstadter, they’re clues. “Nobody is a very reliable guide concerning activities in their mind that are, by definition, subconscious,” he once wrote. “This is what makes vast collections of errors so important. In an isolated error, the mechanisms involved yield only slight traces of themselves; however, in a large collection, vast numbers of such slight traces exist, collectively adding up to strong evidence for (and against) particular mechanisms.”

I don't know when, where, and how the next leap in AGI will come through, but it's just very likely, it will be through brute-force computation (unfortunately). So much for fifty years of observing Freudian slips.

[1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/the-man...

CuriouslyC•2h ago
Brute force will always be part of the story, but it's not the solution. It just allows us to take an already working solution and make it better.
entropyneur•2h ago
This article seems to fall straight into the trap it aims to warn us about. All this talk about "true" understanding, embodiment, etc. is needless antropomorphizing.

A much better framework for thinking about intelligence is simply as the ability to make predictions about the world (including conditional ones like "what will happen if we take this action"). Whether it's achieved through "true understanding" (however you define it; I personally doubt you can) or "mimicking" bears no relevance for most of the questions about the impact of AI we are trying to answer.

wagwang•2h ago
Predict and create, that's all that matters.
cantor_S_drug•2h ago
Imagine LLM is conscious (as Anthropic wants us to believe). Imagine LLM is made to train on so much data which is far beyond what its parameter count allows for. Am I hurting the LLM by causing it intensive cognitive strain?
adastra22•2h ago
Why would that hurt?
entropyneur•1h ago
I agree that whether AI is conscious is an important question. In fact, I think it's the most important question above our own existential crisis. Unfortunately, it's also completely hopeless at our current level of knowledge.
AIPedant•2h ago
"Making predictions about the world" is a reductive and childish way to describe intelligence in humans. Did David Lynch make Mulholland Drive because he predicted it would be a good movie?

The most depressing thing about AI summers is watching tech people cynically try to define intelligence downwards to excuse failures in current AI.

simianwords•2h ago
"David Lynch made Mullholland Drive because he was intelligent" is also absurd.
peterashford•1h ago
But "An intelligent creature made Mullholland Drive" is not
koonsolo•2h ago
I look at it the complete opposite way: humans are defining intelligence upwards to make sure they can perceive themselves better than a computer.

It's clear that humans consider humans as intelligent. Is a monkey intelligent? A dolphin? A crow? An ant?

So I ask you, what is the lowest form of intelligence to you?

(I'm also a huge David Lynch fan by the way :D)

peterashford•1h ago
Im not sure what that gets you. I think most people would suggest that it appears to be a sliding scale. Humans, dolphins / crows, ants, etc. What does that get us?
koonsolo•1h ago
Well, is an LLM more intelligent than an ant?
AIPedant•1h ago
If you look at my comment history you will see that I don't think LLMs are nearly as intelligent as rats or pigeons. Rats and pigeons have an intuitive understanding of quantity and LLMs do not.

I don't know what "the lowest form of intelligence" is, nobody has a clue what cognition means in lampreys and hagfish.

MrScruff•2h ago
It may be reductive but that doesn't make it incorrect. I would certainly agree that creating and appreciating art are highly emergent phenomena in humans (as is for example humour) but that doesn't mean I don't think they're rooted in fitness functions and our evolved brains desire for approval from our tribal peer group.

Reductive arguments may not give us an immediate forward path to reproducing these emergent phenomena in artificial brains, but it's also the case that emergent phenomena are by definition impossible to predict - I don't think anyone predicted the current behaviours of LLMs for example.

pu_pe•2h ago
How would you define intelligence? Surely not by the ability to make a critically acclaimed movie, right?
entropyneur•1h ago
> Did David Lynch make Mulholland Drive because he predicted it would be a good movie?

He made it because he predicted that it will have some effects enjoyable to him. Without knowing David Lynch personally I can assume that he made it because he predicted other people will like it. Although of course, it might have been some other goal. But unless he was completely unlike anyone I've ever met, it's safe to assume that before he started he had a picture of a world with Mullholland Drive existing in it that is somehow better than the current world without. He might or might not have been aware of it though.

Anyway, that's too much analysis of Mr. Lynch. The implicit question is how soon an AI will be able to make a movie that you, AIPedant, will enjoy as much as you've enjoyed Mulholland Drive. And I stand that how similar AI is to human intelligence or how much "true understanding" it has is completely irrelevant to answering that question.

gilleain•1h ago
> unless he was completely unlike anyone I've ever met,

I mean ... he is David Lynch.

We seem to be defining "predicted" to mean "any vision or idea I have of the future". Hopefully film directors have _some_ idea of what their film should look like, but that seems distinct from what they expect that it will end up.

keiferski•2h ago
It matters if your civilizational system is built on assigning rights or responsibilities to things because they have consciousness or "interiority." Intelligence fits here just as well.

Currently many of our legal systems are set up this way, if in a fairly arbitrary fashion. Consider for example how sentience is used as a metric for whether an animal ought to receive additional rights. Or how murder (which requires deliberate, conscious thought) is punished more harshly than manslaughter (which can be accidental or careless.)

If we just treat intelligence as a descriptive quality and apply it to LLMs, we quickly realize the absurdity of saying a chatbot is somehow equivalent, consciously, to a human being. At least, to me it seems absurd. And it indicates the flaws of grafting human consciousness onto machines without analyzing why.

ACCount37•35m ago
From a practical standpoint, all the talk of "true understanding", "sentience" and the likes is pointless.

The only real and measurable thing is performance. And the performance of AI systems only goes up.

vrighter•20m ago
But only goes up in the sense that it's getting closer to a horizontal asymptote. Which is not really that good.
ggm•2h ago
It's statistics, linear programming, and shamanism.
chromanoid•2h ago
Great article!
adastra22•2h ago
> Does a model that can see and act begin to bridge the gap toward common sense

Question for the author: how are SOTA LLM models not common sense machines?

whilenot-dev•1h ago
Not the author, but to extend this quote from the article:

> Its [Large Language Models] ability to write code and summarize text feels like a qualitative leap in generality that the monkey-and-moon analogy doesn't quite capture. This leaves us with a forward-looking question: How do recent advances in multimodality and agentic AI test the boundaries of this fallacy? Does a model that can see and act begin to bridge the gap toward common sense, or is it just a more sophisticated version of the same narrow intelligence? Are world models a true step towards AGI or just a higher branch in a tree of narrow linguistic intelligence?

I'd put the expression common sense on the same level as having causal connections, and would also assume that SOTA LLMs do not create an understanding based on causality. AFAICS this is known as the "reversal curse"[0].

[0]: https://youtu.be/zjkBMFhNj_g?t=750

visarga•2h ago
I think the Stochastic Parrots idea is pretty outdated and incorrect. LLMs are not parrots, we don't even need them to parrot, we already have perfect copying machines. LLMs are working on new things, that is their purpose, reproducing the same thing we already have is not worth it.

The core misconception here is that LLMs are autonomous agents parroting away. No, they are connected to humans, tools, reference data, and validation systems. They are in a dialogue, and in a dialogue you quickly get into a place where nobody has ever been before. Take any 10 consecutive words from a human or LLM and chances are nobody on the internet stringed those words the same way before.

LLMs are more like pianos than parrots, or better yet, like another musician jamming together with you, creating something together that none would do individually. We play our prompts on the keyboard and they play their "music" back to us. Good or bad - depends on the player at the keyboard, they retain most control. To say LLMs are Stochastic Parrots is to discount the contribution of the human using it.

Related to intelligence, I think we have a misconception that it comes from the brain. No, it comes from the feedback loop between brain and environment. The environment plays a huge role in exploration, learning, testing ideas, and discovery. The social aspect also plays a big role, parallelizing exploration and streamlining exploitation of discoveries. We are not individually intelligent, it is a social, environment based process, not a pure-brain process.

Searching for intelligence in the brain is like searching for art in the paint pigments and canvas cloth.

ttoinou•2h ago
The fact that it can copy smartly exactly ONE of the information in a given prompt (which is a complex sentence only humans could process before) and not others is absolutely a progress in computer science, and very useful. I’m still amazed by that everyday, I never thought I’d see an algorithm like that in my lifetime. (Calling it parroting is of course pejorative)
delis-thumbs-7e•33m ago
I think you are on to something. Chasing AGI is - I believe - ultimately useless endeavour, but we can already use the existing tools we have in ingenious and creative ways. And no I don’t mean endless barrage of AI lofi hip hop or the same ”cool” album cover with random kanji that all of them have. For instance, it is pretty amazing to have a private tutor which with you can discuss why Charles XII of Sweden ultimately failed in his war against Russia or why roughly 30% of people seems to have a personality that leans toward authoritanianism - this is how people have learned since the very beginning of language. But conversation is an art and you get out from it what you bring into it. It also does not give you a readymade result which you can immediatedly capitalise on, which is what investors want, but what could and can ultimately be useful to humanity.

However, almost all models (worst is ChatGPT) are made virtually useless in this respect, since they are basically sycophantic yesmen - why on earth does an ”autocorrect on steroids” pretend to laugh at my jokes?

Next step is not to built faster models or throw more computing power at them, bit to learn to play the piano.

vrighter•9m ago
You can shuffle a deck of 52 cards, and be reasonably confident that nobody has ever gotten that exact shuffle (or probably ever will, until the universe dies). But at least in this case, we are sure that a deck of 52 cards can be arranged in any permutation of 52 cards. We know we can reach any state from any other state.

This is not the case for LLMs. We don't know what the full state space looks like. Just because the state space that LLMs (lossily) compress, is unimaginably huge, doesn't mean that you can assume that the state you want is one of them. So yeah, you might get a string of symbols that nobody has seen before, but you still have no way of knowing whether A) it's the string of symbols you wanted, and B) if it isn't, whether the string of symbols you wanted can ever be generated by the network at all.

retrocog•2h ago
Is embodiment a requirement to hold identity and is identity a pre-requisite for intelligence?
simianwords•2h ago
> But that still leaves a crucial question: can we develop a more precise, less anthropomorphic vocabulary to describe AI capabilities? Or is our human-centric language the only tool we have to reason about these new forms of intelligence, with all the baggage that entails?

I don't get the problem with this really. I think LLM's "reasoning" is a very fair and proper way to call it. It takes time and spits out tokens that it recursively uses to get a much better output than it otherwise would have. Is it actually really reasoning using a brain like a human would? No. But it is close enough so I don't see the problem calling it "reasoning". What's the fuss about?

keiferski•2h ago
Are swimming and sailing the same, because they both have the result of moving through the water?

I'd say, no, they aren't, and there is value in understanding the different processes (and labeling them as such), even if they have outputs that look similar/identical.

iLoveOncall•1h ago
It has absolutely nothing to do with reasoning, and I don't understand how anyone could think it's"close enough".

Reasoning models are simply answering the same question twice with a different system prompt. It's a normal LLM with an extra technical step. Nothing else.

myflash13•2h ago
I would add a fifth fallacy: assuming what we humans do can be reduced to “intelligence”. We are actually very irrational. Humans are driven strongly by Will, Desire, Love, Faith, and many other irrational traits. Has an LLM ever demonstrated irrational love? Or sexual desire? How can it possibly do what humans do without these?
peterashford•1h ago
Yeah I think that's an important dimension. David Hume said that there was no action without passion and I think that's a key difference with AIs. They sit there passive until we interact with them. They dont want anything, they dont have goals, desires, motivations. The emotional part of the human psyche does a lot of work - we aren't just calculating sums
tonyhart7•1h ago
and this is misconception of this "AI"

they don't need to reach equal human intelligence, the just need to reach an acceptable of intelligence so corporation can reduce labor cost

sure it bad at certain things but you know what ??? most of real world job didn't need a genius either

alwinaugustin•1h ago
For all its advanced capabilities, the LLM remains a glorified natural language interface. It is exceptionally good at conversational communication and synthesizing existing knowledge, making information more accessible and in some cases, easier to interact with. However, many of the more ambitious applications, such as so-called "agents," are not a sign of nascent intelligence. They are simply sophisticated workflows—complex combinations of Python scripts and chained API calls that leverage the LLM as a sub-routine. These systems are clever, but they are not a leap towards true artificial agency. We must be cautious not to confuse a powerful statistical tool with the dawn of genuine machine consciousness.
justlikereddit•33m ago
The author suggests common sense and reasoning is unavoidable traits that are fundamental to humans.

That is also a fallacy from being too immersed in a professional environment filled with deep reasoning and a deep rooted tradition of logic.

In the greater human civilization you will find an abundance of individuals lacking both reasoning and common sense.