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Awash in revisionist histories about Apple's web efforts, a look at the evidence

https://infrequently.org/2025/09/cupertinos-comforting-myths/
31•freetonik•6h ago

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drcongo•1h ago
This site has a category called "Browser choice must matter" which is nothing but a series of articles slating Apple and Safari. Nothing about Chrome's desktop dominance or Google's abusive practices at all :thinking-face:.
StopDisinfo910•57m ago
Because it's specifically about mobile browsers and not desktop as indicated in the category header and you can actually use a competing browser on Google operating system? :thinking-face:
snickerdoodle14•39m ago
Almost as if you can choose a browser on the desktop :thinking-face:

Windows even asks you if you want to use something else other than Chrome if you're in the EU.

yardie•7m ago
> Windows even asks you if you want to use something else other than Chrome if you're in the EU.

And not by choice. It was a 2010 legal decision. Pretty confident that if the court didn't force Microsoft to do it they wouldn't give you that option.

cjpearson•17m ago
The author was for a long time a developer on Chrome and now works at Microsoft on Edge. I would not expect them to lead an anti-Chrome crusade.
N_Lens•1h ago
Given that we’re in the information warfare era, it’s a given that Apple would be trying to sane-wash their anti-competitive practices (which they undoubtedly are), and drag their feet as much as possible on standards and interoperability.

- sent from my iPhone

concinds•23m ago
The one piece from this author that I found most persuasive is the analysis of mobile web vs app usage share. The web is practically dead on mobile. Users spend practically no time there, it's night and day compared to desktop. It's no wonder that developing countries, where desktops had less penetration and mobile dominates, have much less of an "open web" to speak of, and far more things are done in apps/siloes. If we accept the premise that the mobile web shows us one potential future trajectory for the web, it's looking grim. And if so, Google's approach of trying to make the "Web Platform" match native platform capabilities (notifications, for example) is far healthier for the web than Apple's approach of gating features exclusive to native apps (it almost sounds self-evident when I put it that way). Beyond all the arguments and talking point, look at mobile web vs app usage and you can see the end-result of Apple's vision for the web: it's dead.
djoldman•16m ago
I'm curious: what are the web standards/specifications that webkit does not implement, efficiently or at all, that prevent all but niche or insignificantly important functionality?

For that matter, what critical new functionality has been introduced in the web standards/specifications over the last 20 years that was not possible to implement prior? My quick and uninformed take is just: video.

As a casual web developer, it feels very much like the CSS, HTML, and Web API specifications are well well beyond what is critical and deep into the "specifications capture" phase of how companies compete.

WillAdams•16m ago
I just wish that Apple would make Safari available on Windows again, or that there was an easy way to have an up-to-date WebKit browser for Windows.
lapcat•13m ago
I have no wish to defend Apple. However, I have no wish to defend Google or Microsoft either. Collectively, those three have a monopolistic market share for operating systems and web browsers on both desktop and mobile.

My fundamental problem with this author is his massive conflict of interest. He's not an outside observer but rather a Chromium engineer, former Google employee, current Microsoft employee. He talks about "competition" and "competitors" while basically ignoring the monopolistic landscape of the industry and the role of his own employers in that monopolization. Nobody has clean hands here, not Apple, not Google, not Microsoft. I don't see any of them really acting in the best interest of consumers. Let's not pretend, for example, that Chromium doesn't push a bunch of shit that consumers never wanted.

Progress would be breaking up this triopoly, not allowing Blink/Chromium to dominate everything.

The web "standards" bodies are a joke now because of the dominance of these few companies over web browsers. I don't even want to hear about standards anymore. So-called standards now are just the monopolists coming to agreement among themselves. All we have here is the employee of one monopolist complaining about another monopolist.

As far as I'm concerned, the web standards should be so simple that a little indie developer could write a full-fledged web browser. But people like the article author want web browser engines to become entire operating systems, which in effect excludes almost everyone from writing a web browser. That's not openness and freedom. It's inherently monopolistic.

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Awash in revisionist histories about Apple's web efforts, a look at the evidence

https://infrequently.org/2025/09/cupertinos-comforting-myths/
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