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I Test Drove a Flying Car. Get Ready, They're Here

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/cars/i-test-drove-a-flying-car-get-ready-theyre-here-257b0ecf
23•thm•2h ago

Comments

dopamean•1h ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there's basically no chance that flying cars become a meaning part of life in America in my lifetime (I just turned 40).
burkaman•1h ago
I agree with you, but keep in mind that's probably what 40-year-olds in 1903 said about planes after hearing about the Wright brothers. Sometimes things do actually change.
cpmsmith•1h ago
If we assume this means "in the next 50 years", they wouldn't be totally wrong. You could make the case airplanes were only on the cusp of being "a meaning[ful] part of life in America" by 1953 – planes only overtook trains for domestic US travel in 1955, and 1957 for trans-Atlantic.

https://airandspace.si.edu/explore/stories/commercial-aviati...

strangattractor•1h ago
Reminds me of how Popular Mechanics use to alternate between Flying Cars and return of the Blimps issues.

Scott is a sport pilot enthusiast and approached the evaluation from that perspective. I don't think there are many pilots, myself included, that believe we are on the verge of flying cars for mass transportation. They are expensive to purchase, maintain and impractical for many reasons.

klipklop•1h ago
I agree. In the US I have seen simple regional public transportation projects take decades and they are still not complete. A single on/off ramp (literally a quarter mile of road) will take 5 years.

There is just no way a public flying car infrastructure can be built in the US in the next 30-50 years you are alive.

WithinReason•44m ago
Isn't the point of flying cars that they don't need roads?
saghm•20m ago
Unless you expect that most people would be fine with an unbounded number of flying cars (presumably at least as noisy as existing ones) without speed limits in their neighborhood, there's going to have to be some sort of infrastructure. Just because they won't literally be roads doesn't mean that the same types of social dynamics won't apply.
littlekey•18m ago
Presumably they would need roads in the sense of arbitrary "surfaces" on top of one another, so that you could shift lanes vertically as well as horizontally. And then you would need at least a visual indicator of which lane you're in, maybe even force feedback similar to bott's dots.
nradov•15m ago
We would need a lot of landing pads free of nearby hazards (trees, wires, antennas). Those pads generally can't just be added on to existing buildings: most high-rise buildings weren't designed to support the necessary weight, plus roofs are already full of other equipment.

Assuming appropriate sites can be found, there will also be a long permitting process to get construction approval. The latest eVTOL aircraft are quieter than conventional helicopters but still loud so anyone living and working nearby is going to complain. I'm sure they'll also raise environmental impact concerns in many areas because the noise will prevent the endangered yellow-footed salamander from laying eggs or whatever so working through the mandated mitigation process also takes years.

trehalose•4m ago
Airplanes don't need roads either, but airports do a lot more than just provide hangars to store them and runways for them to take off and land. There's all kinds of systems to help planes avoid collisions too.

You might think it'll be very easy for flying cars to avoid crashing because they can just fly above and below each other, but that's also more directions for them to crash into each other from, more directions the drivers might have to rely on potentially faulty sensors where their vision is blocked. There might have to be invisible "lanes", maybe even with something like traffic lights, rather than having cars just flying every which way without external coordination.

Eisenstein•1h ago
Does 'flying car' have its own FAA designation? My assumption is that it would fall under the already existing aircraft types and require the same license to operate.
chickenbig•1h ago
It is a part 103 ultralight, according to Scott Manley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncRFPd69rg?t=1110

JaggedJax•1h ago
Corrected link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncRFPd69rg&t=1110
ranger_danger•1h ago
No they're not.
sbuttgereit•1h ago
This company must have some sort of marketing push underway... here's a video yesterday from Scott Manley that's basically the same thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncRFPd69rg

aeternum•1h ago
They're one of the few companies actually delivering vehicles to customers.
dardeaup•1h ago
I hope not! There are far too many idiots driving who don't pay attention. Certainly don't need to put them in the sky.
mgr86•1h ago
I think this is a case where I simply don't know enough, but couldn't auto-pilot be a lot easier and safer when adding a new axis? A lot fewer things to run into in the air, and if you could just rise or fall a couple dozen feet to avoid an collision seems safer.
codyb•1h ago
If it's autopilot you could probably also channel the vehicles to specific routes such that they maintain a road like set of channels where they're flying so the rest of us can not worry about random flying cars zooming around our yards and playgrounds.

We already do this with planes which have corridors they fly along.

saubeidl•1h ago
Yup, there's a bunch of Chinese startups building that rn. EHang [0] is one of the bigger ones.

[0] https://www.ehang.com/

ngokevin•1h ago
Not sure about the autopilot part (even planes autopilots follow a flight path). I'm not an expert either, but with roads, there are clear lanes and markings. And ability to generally see around you, and judge distance.

Is what sets the lanes in the air are traffic controllers and flight plans? We're already short on traffic controllers. And there are already lots of near-misses (and not near-misses) even with the heavy regulation and control. Can't imagine having it as mass personal transit driven manually. There'd need to be a mass central system that controls everything, and in that case, might as well just keep it commercial

The energy efficiency isn't great either on personal aircraft

not an expert, just shooting the crap

treetalker•1h ago
Flying cars in Miami would be nightmare fuel.
strangattractor•1h ago
Imagine a simple scenario. Take your $260,000 Helix to the grocery store to pickup groceries. While you are in the store a mother fighting with her kids accidentally damages your Helix backing up the car. Are you going to hop into that thing even with what might be considered minor damage? Probably not because you would not know how to evaluate whether it is safe.

A car. You'd just hop in to determine if it is drivable.

SketchySeaBeast•1h ago
Not just after an incident, but what sort of maintenance requirements and burden will there be now? Can there be an equivalent to the beater for flying cars?
strangattractor•26m ago
Flying vehicles are fundamentally a different beast. They need to be light and are therefore more fragile. Also my car engine quitting while driving is not necessarily a life threatening situation. When you're a thousand feet above the ground just about any failure can be life threatening.

So no I wouldn't think flying a beater around is a good idea. People generally get away with flying unsafe planes now because they fly over unpopulated areas. They only kill themselves. Start flying over populated areas and you can wipe out a kids soccer game.

nradov•10m ago
No, there cannot (at least not legally). Aircraft are subject to strict maintenance and inspection requirements based on both calendar time and operating hours, and a certified mechanic must sign-off on the completed work. Out in rural areas there are a few private pilots who fly poorly maintained "beater" light airplanes and get away with it because authorities never show up at the local grass strip but this is never going to be tolerated in urban areas.
hollerith•1h ago
I hope they stay away from my home -- it's already too noisy with machines of various kinds.
atmavatar•1h ago
We're 10 years late.

The future in Back to the Future part 2 was 2015-10-21.

Now we need to get cracking on Mr. Fusion, so we can produce 1.21 GW of power with beer cans and egg cartons.

SirFatty•1h ago
I wonder how loud these things are...
calmbonsai•1h ago
Not that one. There's zero usable payload, extremely limited range, VFR only, and it's only "legal" is as a Part 103 (ultralight) exception.

This is, essentially, an aviation hobby toy and not remotely practical for anyone even doing a short-hop urban commute as they would be banned in dense urban (class B,C, and D) airspace too.

3abiton•1h ago
So basically its legitimacy and novelty is based on a loop hole? Nonetheless a cool hobby project, and usually will rally people behind this concept and we might see some excitment there.
SunshineTheCat•1h ago
Having a flying car would be nice, however I think if I had the choice which went mainstream, I would prefer a jetpack.
shantara•1h ago
The aircraft looked sleek in Scott Manley’s video, but knowing it has only 20 mile range with the top speed of 60 mph makes it a little more than a toy.
mulletbum•1h ago
60 really isn't a problem at all. I will drive a 1,000 miles going 60, if I can do it in a straight line, it would still save a large amount of time. The problem is absolutely that 20mph range. Not useful at all.
xnx•1h ago
If you want an even cheaper more yolo version there's the Jetson One: https://jetson.com/
glimshe•1h ago
Imagine this with current paradigm of forced software updates. Just the other day a bunch of cars got bricked mid-drive because of one of these.
theideaofcoffee•1h ago
Please no. Most idiots on the road can barely handle two dimensions, let alone a third.
gxonatano•32m ago
That's not a flying car, it's just a small airplane. For it to be a car it would need to be able to drive on roads. With, you know, wheels and stuff.
gman2093•18m ago
This seems worse than the Dubai quadcopter taxis in general, but it would be cool in niche situations. I wonder if it can be adapted to land on water with inflatable landing gear.

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