The companies forget how to make great products. The product sensibility and product genius that brought them to this monopolistic position gets rotted out by people running these companies who have no conception of a good product vs. a bad product. They have no conception of the craftsmanship that’s required to take a good idea and turn it into a good product. And they really have no feeling in their hearts about wanting to help the costumers.”
- Steve Jobs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs:_The_Lost_Interview
I also had a GSM iPhone 4.
Compare that to how quickly they ran away from the shitty Intel modems when they were selling some made by Intel and some made by Samsung (?)
Any interaction you have with a company post-Covid you can feel it. Nothing works anymore and you can’t even tell anyone about it or why.
So the title is all speculation. The author put 2 and 2 together and concluded that 10 is greater than 9.
Worthless article.
Or you could just say "there is no way the thing that constantly happens over and over again has happened once again, just no way".
Staff cuts constantly happen in the name of maximising profits. They always yield poor results for a company's performance. Every time. Especially for the consumer's side of it (not the company's finances of course).
Every time.
But maybe this time it's different. That one time.
that said, my suspicion is they're likely on to something here regarding layoffs and quality degradation.
But I know very few people in the industry who know about Amazon’s reputation that have a life long dream of working there given a choice.
I was 46 when I was hired there for a “permanently remote [sic] field by design role” in ProServe and it was my 8th job out of college. I went in with my eyes wide open. I had a plan, stay for four years, sell my RSUs as soon as they vested, pay off debt, save some money, put it on my resume to open doors and make connections and leave.
I was never expecting to make more when I left. I used the time to downsize and reduce my expenses - including moving to state tax free Florida.
When I saw the writing on the wall, I played the game while I was on focus to get my next vest and wait for the “get 40k+ severance and leave immediately or try to work through the PIP”.
I took the latter and had three offers within 3 weeks. This was late 2023.
I left debt free, sold my old home for exactly twice what I had built for 8 years earlier, downsized to a condo half the price I sold it for (and 1/3 the size) and I was debt free with savings.
I’m now a staff consultant working full time at a 3rd party AWS consulting firm with a lot less stress and still remote. They were the last to fall. But AWS made their ProServe department return to office at the beginning of this year.
https://blog.stackademic.com/aws-just-fired-40-of-its-devops...
https://amazon.jobs/en/jobs/3080348/devops-engineer-linux-re...
https://amazon.jobs/en/jobs/3082914/devops-systems-engineer-...
This one mentions terraform by name (though that doesn't necessarily imply its in use, though having worked in large companies I would argue that sweeping statements about a popular technology not being used is likely to be wrong)
https://amazon.jobs/en/jobs/3042892/delivery-consultant-devo...
The last one is a ProServe role, which is a consulting role that spends their time working in customer environments, which is where they may encounter terraform. It does not mean anything about internal use of terraform.
I already showed you that AWS has (or hires) DevOps people with publicly available information, maybe the article is incorrect but you’re clearly not better informed, so maybe cut it with the rude commentary.
https://amazon.jobs/en/jobs/3080348/devops-engineer-linux-re...
Just do a quick google search for that “40% of devops laid off” and you’ll see that it’s actually an old article from months ago that multiple people, including AWS employees, are saying is bullshit and unsourced.
edit: found another source that says this 40% number came from an AWS consultant that worked with customers to help them be better at DevOps, and it was 40% of their specific team that was laid off. Even if it were true, it has nothing to do with the internal operations of AWS services. This is why it’s important to understand the information you’re sharing before making judgements off of it.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/18/aws_sheds_jobs/
Seems wild that you would promote job titles you don’t hire for, makes me think that it’s reasonable for news outlets to refer to those roles in the same way honestly.
You know what though? I’m not wasting my time with you, the fact was that this was all over social media. Then a huge outage- my original comment was factually accurate even if we contend that the article itself was bunk. And AWS clearly hires DevOps staff.
You’ve not even disproved anything you’re just making me play internet fetch. I’m not replying anymore.
I don't have any dog in this fight, but I don't see where this article makes your case. From your article:
> We understand around 100 jobs are at stake.
> Sources familiar with AWS operations who requested anonymity told The Register most of the layoffs affected people in marketing and outreach roles, although chatter on sites like Blind suggests folks in frontline support and in other positions may have been affected, too.
Notice the job description:
As part of the AWS Managed Operations team, you will play a pivotal role in building and leading operations and development teams dedicated to delivering high-availability AWS services, including EC2, S3, Dynamo, Lambda, and Bedrock, exclusively for EU customers.
They aren’t looking for DevOpe engineers to work alongside the “service teams” - the teams that build and support internal AWS services. They are working with AWS customers who may already be using Terraform. AWS has a large internal consulting division staffed with full time employees. When they work with customers they will use Terraform if needed.
It's one one of the few parts of the internet which could potentially be replaced over time with very little disruption.
The hierarchy of resolvers could be replaced with a far simpler flat hierarchy Blockchain where people could buy and permanently own their domains directly on-chain... No recurring fees. People could host websites on the Blockchain from beyond the grave... This is kind of a dream of mine. Not possible to achieve in our current system.
This is precisely why something like this isn't a popular solution lots of people are working towards. Domains broadly speaking aren't a finite resource, but usable domains using common words definitely are. As time marches on human readable/typeable "permanent identifiers" are going to have to go away. Email address, usernames and the like are all going to get recycled, just like phone numbers are. Domains are currently recycled and most people probably think that's a good thing.
This is precisely why something like this isn't a popular solution lots of people are working towards. Domains broadly speaking aren't a finite resource, but usable domains using common words definitely are. As time marches on human readable/typeable "permanent identifiers" are going to have to go away. Email address, usernames and the like are all going to get recycled, just like phone numbers are. Domains are currently recycled and most people probably think that's a good thing (assuming they think about it at all)
I bought tombert.com in 2014 and forgot to renew it in 2015, and it was auctioned off by GoDaddy. For like six years, it was owned by squatters, and they wanted thousands of dollars for the domain [1]. I called offering the $100 for it, and they claimed that they can't go below $1400 because this domain is in "extremely high demand". I finally was able to buy it back in 2021, presumably because the squatter purged out domains that hadn't been purchased for N years and they wanted to save money.
Now, you could argue "see! You wouldn't have had to worry about it expiring if it were permanent on the blockchain", and that's true, but if someone else had gotten to that domain first, then I would also never get it. I think the only thing that keeps the internet even remotely fair in this regard is that domain names cost some amount of money to keep.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20160219161720/http://www.hugedo...
At least currently death dissolves bonds.
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2025/10/20/aws_outa...
RTO in combination with Amazon being last place in AI innovation have led to departures of anyone that can leave, leaving.
Jesus, if even an ounce of that is true... Yes, everyone on the internet is a cat clawing on a keyboard... but if a ton of people legitimately confirmed to be ex-AWS point to similar culture issues... probably it's AWS that's rotting.
> At the end of 2023, Justin Garrison left AWS and roasted them on his way out the door. He stated that AWS had seen an increase in Large Scale Events (or LSEs), and predicted significant outages in 2024. It would seem that he discounted the power of inertia
Your comment is relying on that referenced inertia. Things will continue to function for a period of time, but there exists an inflection point at which they no longer function as previously.
Inertia is a hell of a force.
Yes, development tools are better every day. Yes, you can downsize. No it won’t be felt immediately. Yes, it mortgages the future and at a painfully high interest rate.
Suspending disbelief won’t make downsizing work better.
See: general electric, RCA, Xerox, GM
[08:43 AM PDT] We have narrowed down the source of the network connectivity issues that impacted AWS Services...
[08:04 AM PDT] We continue to investigate the root cause for the network connectivity issues...
[12:11 AM PDT] <declared outage>
They claim not to have known the root cause for ~8hr
P.S. I’m not an Amazon hater, replace the company name with any other big one of your choice and the article will have the same meaning ;-)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/1ncm25p/amazon_m...
I’m confused how they can have such a failure, they are employing the best and brightest top tier talent from India.
Hopefully they can increase their H1B allotment even more next year to help prevent these types of failures.
However, talent is a very small part of shipping a project. How that talent is resourced is far more important.
[1] https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2025/10/20/aws_outa...
>I've seen zero signs that this stems from a lack of transparency, and every indication that they legitimately did not know what was breaking for a patently absurd length of time.
That information is under NDA, so it's only natural you aren't privy to it.
They’ll get acquired and top people leave as their stock vests or get pushed out because the megacorp wants someone different in the seat.
The people who knew the tech are gone and you’re left with an unmaintainable mess that becomes unreliable and no one knows how to fix it.
Is 75 minutes really considered that long of a time? I don't do my day-job in webdev, so maybe I'm just naive. But being able to diagnose the single service endpoint in 75 minutes seems pretty good to me. When I worked on firmware we frequently spent _weeks_ trying to diagnose what part of the firmware was broken.
One might spend weeks diagnosing a problem if the problem only happens 0.01% of the time, correlated with nothing, goes away when retried, and nobody can reproduce it in a test environment.
But 0.01%-and-it-goes-away-when-retried does not make a high priority incident. High priority incidents tend to be repeatable problems that weren't there an hour ago.
Generally a well designed, properly resourced business critical system will be simple enough and well enough monitored that problems can be diagnosed in a good deal less than 75 minutes - even if rolling out a full fix takes longer.
Of course, I don't know how common well designed, properly resourced business critical systems are.
Even with candidate pools of hundreds of thousands of H1-B engineers and tens of millions of illegal immigrant warehouse workers, there still comes a point where such a big company firing so many people so quickly exhausts all their options.
It reminds me of the Robot Chicken Sketch where Imperial Officers aboard the Death Star all pretend to be force choked to death by Darth Vader so they can avoid getting killed by lightsaber, then come back in under different names in different jobs. It's worse though for Amazon: nobody wants to come back.
I asked if I could schedule the interview after my final exams, and his arrogance really showed when not only did he refuse, but then insisted my exams are not don't even register on the same scale of importance as the opportunity to work for Amazon.
Somewhat related: a recruiter at Google cold-called me a couple months into my first job out of undergrad back in 2016 and was similarly condescending about "the chance" to work for Google compared to everything else. I already had a low opinion of them when they gave my then-girlfriend an introductory O'Reilly book on Java after she failed their interview.
I regret being born too late to work somewhere like Bell Labs, SGI, or Sun. I had a ton of graybeard wizard coworkers from these places, and they were all a pleasure to learn from and even better friends. For the first 2 years of my first job, every day of work was like walking into the Shire and talking magic spells with 20 Gandalfs.
That job was great until I got put on a team with a guy who was a former middle manager at some IBM-like company and went from being surrounded by people lightyears ahead of me to being surrounded by Dilbert characters. The messed-up part was that it wasn't even punishment. I was rewarded after completing a project with my choice of which team I joined next, and I joined the wrong one. I assumed that joining a new team to utilize this newfangled "cloud computing" thing would be trailblazing, and I didn't do any diligence on who I would work with.
To this day, I still regret not rejoining the first team I worked for, otherwise I would still be at that company and happy about it. Then again, the boredom and discontent while being on that sucky team is the reason I started investing, and now I can buy a house in cash and fund myself to do whatever I want for at least a decade. Hard to complain about the way things turned out.
As a real life Wally I appreciate this comment.
I'm not even out of college, and I feel the same way. Especially for Sun, everything they did was so cool. "The network is the computer" and all that.
I do expect much better of them and they certainly have problems to solve but this is a big company evolution thing and not an Amazon-specific thing imo.
This is a big deal. My employer has already started to look at bringing back our old racks from storage and switching back to on-premises. Cannot imagine he’s alone in that.
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[1] https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/Naur.pdf
[2] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980221072512635117