Tor is already encrypted, that’s why you don’t need TLS. Some services (Like the hidden service from Facebook back in the days) have https but that was more of a vanity from what I remember.
https://proton.me/blog/tor-encrypted-email
In the above blog post, they seem to imply that they made HTTPS mandatory for Proton Mail over Tor for security reasons.
tl;dr: Pressure from browsers, enterprise, and the overall ecosystem to use HTTPS (e.g., unavailability of advanced web features without HTTPS) is pushing for the use of HTTPS without exception, even for .onion sites with no significant technical advantage.
edit: oh, is the last relay the onion service? So the entire chain is encrypted?
It has a functional difference as well, lots of new client-side features (like webcrypto) only work on "Secure Origins" which .onion isn't, but websites behind TLS are. So if you wanna deploy say something that encrypts/decrypts something client-side on .onion, you unfortunately need TLS today otherwise the APIs aren't available.
Of course browsers could fix this, but I don't think they have any incentives to do so. I guess Tor Browser could in fact fix this, and maybe they already do, but it'd be a patch on top of Firefox I think, something they probably want to do less off, not more.
Having to deal with law enforcement is unlikely even if you run a normal, encrypted, TOR relay.
Exit nodes, on the other hand, will most likely get letters or even visits by law enforcement. But those are not involved at all when just running an onion service.
Surely I can't be the only one to think of this right?
>https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-ce...
>WebTunnel is a censorship-resistant pluggable transport designed to mimic encrypted web traffic (HTTPS) inspired by HTTPT. It works by wrapping the payload connection into a WebSocket-like HTTPS connection, appearing to network observers as an ordinary HTTPS (WebSocket) connection. So, for an onlooker without the knowledge of the hidden path, it just looks like a regular HTTP connection to a webpage server giving the impression that the user is simply browsing the web.
Personally, I doubt the US TLAs have a need to operate any relays themselves. They can simply wiretap, and use control flow data for correlation when necessary. Tor can still be useful for all those who do not try to hide from the few agencies who may have this kind of visibility.
The relay community is pretty good in terms of interacting with each other. There are real-world meetings to get to know others in the space, which may make you also more comfortable seeing their personal reasons for providing bandwidth.
https://tpo.pages.torproject.net/core/arti/
https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/arti/-/blob/main/CHAN...
Hosting onion services is apparently still a work-in-progress, though, and turned off by default.
Not disagreeing or agreeing, but "best practice" is probably one of the concepts together with "clean code", that has as many definitions as there are programmers.
Most of the time, it depends, on context, on what else is going on in life, where the priorities lie and so on. Don't think anyone can claim for others what is or isn't "best practice" because we simply don't have enough context to know what they're basing their decisions on nor what they plan for the future.
Just saying, this is an important distinction to me and I've been hosting tor nodes since the 2000s.
Archiving information, and making it available, is sometimes more powerful than anonymous proxying.
Especially if there's an anonymous proxy available to that archive. ;)
You are correct that this solution does not prevent problems if the server goes down. This particular approach aims to reach a larger audience, while your idea of mirroring enables resiliency.
Both approaches have their use cases and can even be combined too!
That jazz is increasingly played by the same band of 185.220.0.0/16 exit nodes, and plays it in a scale which is all but Anonymian.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it would look more benign to have exit nodes distributed without this much bias towards that particular subnet.
[0] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.100 [1] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/185.220.101
Source: I'm its director and founder of torservers.net. Usually using a different nick here.
It's also not such a big deal, provided they aren't messing with your exit traffic which you did encrypt, right? There are few exit nodes, but a great many non-exit nodes which still help anonymize your traffic. If you think it's a problem though, run an exit node.
Noting the default configuration does not turn your server into a relay or exit node, in case anyone interprets this that way.
Thanks for offering a .onion, bookmarked for the caddy configuration.
simonmales•6h ago
TIL that Onion-Location is a header, only new about the <meta> element.
CGamesPlay•6h ago