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FAA restricts commercial rocket launches indefinitely due to air traffic risks

https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/faa-restricts-commercial-rocket-launches-indefinitely-due-to-air-traffic-risks-from-government-shutdown
82•bookmtn•3h ago

Comments

aw1621107•2h ago
The actual order is here: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/FAA-Emergency-Order-11-6-25.pdf

Unfortunately, the article title is somewhat incomplete, as the restriction on commercial rocket launches is only for certain hours (for now, at least):

> Accordingly, with respect to commercial space launches and reentries, under the authority provided to the FAA Administrator by 49 U.S.C. §§ 40103, 40113, and 46105(c), and authority delegated to the FAA Administrator under 51 U.S.C. § 50909(a), it is hereby ordered that, beginning at 6:00 a.m. EST on November 10, 2025, and until this Order is cancelled, Commercial space launches and reentries will only be permitted between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. local time.

primer42•1h ago
The article mentions the hours...

> Beginning 6 a.m. EST (1100 GMT) on Nov. 10, commercial launches to space can only take place between the hours of 10 p.m. EST (0300 GMT) and 6 a.m. EST (1100 GMT), according to the FAA order.

aw1621107•1h ago
Right, hence "the article title is somewhat incomplete".

I just wanted to make that clear since not everyone reads the article before hopping into the comments and the title could be easily interpreted to prohibit all rocket launches.

aidenn0•1h ago
> commercial launches to space can only take place between the hours of 10 p.m. EST (0300 GMT) and 6 a.m. EST (1100 GMT),

That's going to really piss off everyone around Ventura, CA (they get the sonic-boom when landing a booster on a barge for most launch trajectories from Vandenberg).

flerchin•1h ago
These orders, while written like they're orders, seem to be suggestions? They first ordered 20% flight reductions at major hubs, and 10% at minor hubs. Now the airlines have cancelled low single digit percentages. This is easily viewable at flightaware. https://www.flightaware.com/live/cancelled/today
galaxy_gas•1h ago
The announcement say 4% Friday increase to 10% next week gradual ramp
londons_explore•1h ago
I really want this to be the thing that pushes the industry into automated air traffic control.

It's not even technically difficult - we only allow error-prone humans to do the job because of inertia.

Build the system now, and then next time there is a government shutdown or shortage of air traffic controllers, we can say 'only planes equipped with an ipad with automatic air traffic control are allowed to fly'. Within 24h every plane in the nation will be equipped.

Abekkus•56m ago
We can’t trust general use self driving cars yet. Air traffic control is a bit riskier than that
kayodelycaon•52m ago
There’s a lot of automation that can be done to reduce the workload of controllers.

Making an autopilot for airplanes is significantly easier than cars.

roncesvalles•19m ago
But the stakes are much higher.

On a side note, I will use this thread to air out my biggest pet peeve - air travel isn't in fact safer than car travel. Well, it is, per mile, but that's cheating because planes travel so fast. Obviously a 3 hour commercial flight is safer than 40 hours of driving. But cars are still safer per journey.

So, if you drive to the airport and get on a flight, your car ride wasn't actually more dangerous than your flight as the saying goes. The only road-based transportion more dangerous than a plane is the bicycle.

nradov•17m ago
It's always hilarious to see ignorant developers on HN claiming that real world engineering problems are easy to solve based on zero actual knowledge or experience. This kind of comment is really peak HN.

An autopilot for airplanes is only "easy" until something goes wrong. For example, one failure mode for autopilots is that if the aircraft gets progressively more and more out of trim the autopilot will automatically compensate until it hits its design limit. Then it suddenly disengages, leaving the human pilots suddenly in manual control of a nearly uncontrollable aircraft. If you talk to an actual flight control engineer they can give you plenty more examples of why building a safe autopilot is quite hard.

terminalshort•11m ago
And yet it was done decades ago. Air traffic control is just as solvable.
oasisaimlessly•10m ago
So why did we have airplane autopilots decades before car autopilots if it's not easier?

"Easier" != "easy"

tjohns•3m ago
[delayed]
viraptor•17m ago
Completely different things. Self driving cars need to actually deal with vision and fuzzy real time response. Air traffic is a planning and scheduling task with known constraints and (in most cases) known minutes ahead. Comparing their risk is a complete apples and oranges situation.

Than again, ATC needs to deal with people talking on the radio, so the current system has a really long way to go to be completely automated.

tjohns•5m ago
[delayed]
terminalshort•9m ago
Speak for yourself. I ride in Waymos frequently.
downrightmike•1h ago
No problem here folks! Please continue on and not look at the giant clusterfuck directly in front of you!
plussed_reader•1h ago
I'm having trouble understanding if muskler ventures are hampered in this proclamation.

Gooses and ganders, y'know....

rasz•1h ago
Trump continues to act exactly like a foreign asset would.

>10 p.m. EST (0300 GMT) and 6 a.m. EST (1100 GMT)

Sounds great for those launches that absolutely need precise time window due to planets alignment.

Scaevolus•1h ago
Which commercial rocket launches care about planetary alignments?
kristofferR•1h ago
It's right in the article:

"One launch hoping to get off the ground before the order goes into effect is NASA's ESCAPADE mission to Mars. The Rocket Lab-built twin orbiters are scheduled to liftoff on a Blue Origin New Glenn rocket at 2:45 p.m. EST (1945 GMT) on Nov. 9. The impending restrictions mean the ESCAPADE mission won't have a chance to reset for a second launch attempt if the Nov. 9 liftoff is scrubbed for some reason."

Don't forget that commercial launches may still have a government/science org as their customer in question.

dylan604•1h ago
From TFA: "One launch hoping to get off the ground before the order goes into effect is NASA's ESCAPADE mission to Mars. The Rocket Lab-built twin orbiters are scheduled to liftoff on a Blue Origin New Glenn rocket at 2:45 p.m. EST (1945 GMT) on Nov. 9. The impending restrictions mean the ESCAPADE mission won't have a chance to reset for a second launch attempt if the Nov. 9 liftoff is scrubbed for some reason."

So it sounds like Blue Origin would be concerned

adastra22•56m ago
Most (all?) NASA spacecraft fly on commercial launches these days.
terminalshort•6m ago
Those which are launching payloads outside of Earth orbit. However the launch windows for those tend to be wider and not rely on time of day so much. It's the rockets that need to hit a particular slot in Earth orbit that need to launch at an exact time of day.
antod•1h ago
I thought they were currently addressing any risks by restricting air traffic?
terminalshort•9m ago
If this were really about safety it would be all rockets, not just commercial. It's not like saying "nobody fly in this area at this time" is actually difficult.

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