Almost makes me wonder if it is behind the scenes doing something similar to: rough transcript -> Summaries -> transcript with timecodes (runs out of context) -> throws timestamps that it has on summaries.

I would be very curious to see if it does better on something like an hour long chunk of audio, to see if it is just some sort of context issue. Or if this same audio was fed to it in say 45 minute chunks to see if the timestamps fix themselves.

If you need diarization, you can use something like https://github.com/m-bain/whisperX

I wonder if you put the audio into a video that is nothing but a black screen with a timer running, it would be able to correctly timestamp.

IMO the right way to do this is to feed the audio into a transcription model, specifically one that supports diarization (separation of multiple speakers). This will give you a high quality raw transcript that is pretty much exactly what was actually said.

It would be rough in places (i.e., Speaker 1, Speaker 2, etc. rather than actual speaker names)

Then you want to post-process with a LLM to re-annotate the transcript and clean it up (e.g., replace "Speaker 1" with "Mayor Bob"), and query against it.

I see another post here complaining that direct-to-LLM beats a transcription model like Whisper - I would challenge that. Any modern ASR model will do a very, very good job with 95%+ accuracy.

Since the plain decoder models stole the show, Google DeepMind demonstrated a way to adapt LLMs,adding a T5 encoder to an existing normal Gemma model to get the benefits of the more grounded text-to-text tasks WITHOUT instruction tuning (and the increased risk of prompt injection). They also have a few different kinds they shared on HuggingFace. I didn't get around to fine-tuning the weights of one for summarisation yet but it could well be a good way for more reliable summarisation. I did try out some models for inference though and made a Gist here, which is useful since I found the HF default code example a bit broken:

https://gist.github.com/lukestanley/ee89758ea315b68fd66ba52c...

Google's minisite: https://deepmind.google/models/gemma/t5gemma/ Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.06225

Here is one such model that didn't hallucinate and actually did summarise on HF: https://huggingface.co/google/t5gemma-l-l-prefixlm

The cutting step is simple, and token count is pretty much the same, but the crucial additional detail allows for excellent transcription fidelity time wise.

We've also experimented passing in regular TTS (non-llm) transcript for reference, which again helps the LLM do better.

It goes through the video analysis process and terminology step by step. You need to say "timecode" instead of "timestamp" so the LLM aligns better to AV-stuff more than programming (weird, right?)

Basically you need two to three passes to get a proper transcription

1. just listen and identify voices, give them some kind of ID 2. Maybe watch the video and see if the people have name tags on the table in front of them or there's an on-screen overlay (news or interviews) 3. Last pass, go through the transcription and map voices+ids to actual names

0: https://www.wired.com/2016/04/can-draw-bikes-memory-definite...

I imagine that you could theoretically also guess and check without the web browser by manually rendering the SVG using some graph paper, a compass, a straightedge, and coloured pencils, but that sounds unbelievably tedious and also very error-prone.

> Truth be told, I’m playing the long game here. All I’ve ever wanted from life is a genuinely great SVG vector illustration of a pelican riding a bicycle. My dastardly multi-year plan is to trick multiple AI labs into investing vast resources to cheat at my benchmark until I get one.

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...

I think a more challenging, well, challenge, would be to offer an even more absurd scenario and see how the model handles it.

Example: generate an svg of a pelican and a mongoose eating popcorn inside a pyramid-shaped vehicle flying around Jupiter. Result: https://imgur.com/a/TBGYChc