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Dinosaur Food: 100M year old foods we still eat today (2022)

https://borischerny.com/food/2022/01/17/Dinosaur-food.html
63•simonebrunozzi•2h ago

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munificent•1h ago
If you don't restrict the list to living things, then salt and water are surely the oldest answers. :)
procaryote•7m ago
Hydrogen ions are edible, although usually dissolved in water. Hydrogen ions existed before oxygen or water
kleiba•1h ago
Hands up who has ever eaten anything from that list!
mgh2•1h ago
Water caltrop nuts are common in Taiwan, very nutty and good for meat soups.
ch4s3•1h ago
Lotus root is pretty common in Chinese and Japanese cuisine. I've had it pickled and in a Sichuan dry pot. It's crunchy and takes on flavors pretty well.
arunc•1h ago
We use it in cuisines from India, particularly from Tamil nadu, as well. Lotus root, seeds, the petals, pretty much all.
droopyEyelids•1h ago
Lotus root is pretty common. A crunchy tuber that keeps its texture after cooking, bland taste, unique visual appeal. I threw some in the last pot of bean chili my family made, and the kids liked it.
embedding-shape•1h ago
I think this might say more about your geographic location than you think :)

People from other continents always surprise me with various fruits they taken for granted their entire life, but I've never heard about, and vice-versa.

SideburnsOfDoom•1h ago
> I think this might say more about your geographic location than you think

Clearly, for instance Welwitschia (1) listed. I think this says a lot about location.

It's a fascinating plant, but it is an endangered species, endemic to the Namib desert. And as far as I know, not that commonly eaten.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welwitschia

zdragnar•1h ago
Fern fiddleheads aren't bad if you get them at the right time, but I wouldn't go out of my way to eat them.
CGMthrowaway•1h ago
Whoever smelled a ginkgo fruit and said "let's eat this" !
magneticnorth•1h ago
Fiddleheads from ferns are available at farmer's markets in the spring in my area, though not from the cinnamon fern specifically.

I'm having trouble finding sources for other specific fern species, though many ferns have been around for hundreds of millions of years.

2OEH8eoCRo0•55m ago
I used to get them at Whole Foods in Nashua, NH. They're quite seasonal so I'd always grab some if I see em.
heathrow83829•59m ago
my wife and I regularly eat lotus root, it's quite delicious and common in chinese cooking. the others not so much.

On a side note there are 1000s even 10s of thousand of edible plant based species that grow on the earth. i don't know how old they are though.

droopyEyelids•1h ago
Seeing my neighbors gathering ginkgo nuts made me curious enough to try them, and I waded right in without understanding the risks! TLDR— they're not a great food source. It's yet another one of those cases where you have to wonder what "delicacy" means.

The actual fruit (looks like a rotten plum, smells terrible) has ginkgolic acids which cause contact dermatitis (think poison ivy).

Then the nuts themselves contain Ginkgotoxin, which interferes with your B6, screwing up your nervous system and causing seizures. Cooking reduces but does not eliminate Ginkgotoxin.

I only ate one, and ate it raw. It was a delightful texture, but tasted like chewing random plant matter. Like leaves from a tree. Was maybe half a cubic centimeter of matter. Escaped any ill effects.

According to my research, kids can have seizures from as few as 10 nuts, which would probably be like 1.5 spoonfuls if you mashed them up. The guidelines I found don't seem very scientific but supposedly a kid can safely handle 3-5 nuts over the course of a day, and an adult could handle 5-10. So it doesn't seem like there is a good margin of safety.

Overall a real risk to health for an insignificant amount of food that doesn't taste special. But a nice texture.

BigTTYGothGF•1h ago
> contact dermatitis

Lots of food is like this, for example mangoes.

fellowniusmonk•55m ago
I eat foods with long history of co-evolution and domestication.

Barley and Yogurt, they are the dogs we domesticated from wolves that changed us too.

Daily barley water is a life changer, I don't think our digestive systems really function without a smidgen of daily barley.

ge96•1h ago
People eat Horseshoe Crabs? No way, but their precious blood give me
OJFord•1h ago
'eaten as a delicacy in some parts of Asia' according to Wikipedia, but to be fair OP is only asserting possibilities anyway (the criteria are 1) old enough to have been around for dinosaurs to eat; 2) edible by humans).
throwup238•33m ago
Technically they eat the roe. Horseshoe crabs have very little meat and it’s so tough as to be practically inedible.
ipsum2•23m ago
I've tried it in Thailand on a dare, there's very little edible meat on it
irishcoffee•1h ago
"We still eat today" vs. "Someone consumed this today" is disingenuous at best.
notorandit•1h ago
Meat
plaguna•1h ago
Which one?
JohnMakin•1h ago
Maybe pythons - some types of crocodile/alligators. But that's very region specific.
icameron•22m ago
Sturgeon. Maybe lamprey (I've never tried it)
magneticnorth•1h ago
This is an interesting way to think about plants and animals.

I'm finding it surprisingly hard to find sources for known age of species - is that information collected somewhere? Or is it something we often just don't know because of how sparse the fossil record is?

Wondering because of trying to look up the age of fern species I do eat (no cinnamon fern near me) and I can't find out.

throwup238•55m ago
> I'm finding it surprisingly hard to find sources for known age of species - is that information collected somewhere? Or is it something we often just don't know because of how sparse the fossil record is?

It depends on what you mean by the age of the species. You can find the oldest known fossil occurrence at the Paleobiology Database [1] and the divergence time from molecular phylogenies via TimeTree [2].

[1] https://paleobiodb.org/

[2] https://timetree.org/

cogman10•44m ago
That's because when something becomes a new species is a surprisingly difficult and contentious debate in biology.

That's simply due to the nature of evolution. It's nearly impossible to look at one past generation of chicken to the next to figure out when the ancestor was no longer a chicken. Yet, go back far enough and you'll find T-Rexes in the mix.

Every generation is a new missing link. It's an extremely fuzzy process.

b112•21m ago
Greg Bear and his fancy pants radio says otherwise.
usrnm•14m ago
> Yet, go back far enough and you'll find T-Rexes in the mix

Afaik, T-Rex was never a direct ancestor of modern birds, including chicken. T-Rex and birds are theropod dinosaurs, but it was a very large and diverse group of animals.

andrewflnr•36m ago
It's pretty tricky to find out, yeah. And new evidence is coming in all the time. All the methods are either floors (a fossil at X date proves a species existed then, but lack of fossils found yet might be inconclusive) or estimates (like molecular clock techniques). Dating fossils themselves (or rather the rocks they're buried in) isn't always easy or possible. For more out-of-the-way species, if anyone has bothered trying to figure out the age it's likely buried in scientific sources that are tricky for novices to find or search, and maybe under debate.
psychoslave•31m ago
That make wonder, how many fossils there might be at total on earth, and with current trend, how much time would humanity should continue to survive before those remaining will approach zero, if fossil formation as a known rate.
throwup238•22m ago
> how many fossils there might be at total on earth

The number is both incalculable and vague - is a shark tooth enough to count as a fossil? How about diatoms and other microfossils?

Diatomaceous earth alone contains around 10^6-10^7 frustules (the shell of a diatom) per gram. If you count them as fossils then the lower bound is 10^18 fossils per year just in diatomaceous earth production.

hnlmorg•13m ago
If you have a fossil, and break it in half, then do you now have two fossils?
bubblewand•10m ago
Immense numbers. Quarries destroy them by the (enormous) truckload all the time, unexamined, god knows what cool unknown stuff has been ground up. Entire kinds of rock are basically made of fossils, not even always the really tiny kind (note: fossils can be microscopic!)

Then consider what's buried under the sea, totally inaccessible. Or under the ice at the poles.

It's a lot of fossils. And that's without even getting into questions like "what counts as a fossil for these purposes?", just any halfway sensible answer is going to leave you with an unfathomably big number, no need to even dig (ha, ha) into the specifics.

The places scientists go to dig up fossils are mostly where a particular stratum happens to exist (the crust gets recycled, so much of the oldest stuff is simply gone in most of the world) and happens to be exposed near the surface. Those same kinds of (for the more common strata, anyway) exist all over the place, just buried too deep to get at except, sometimes, during commercial excavation for things like mining (and then most of it's just gonna be destroyed without a look).

2OEH8eoCRo0•56m ago
No fiddle heads?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiddlehead

smm11•51m ago
I take Gingo three times a week, and eat Horseshoe Crab a few times a year.
neuroelectron•46m ago
I thought avocados were where old food eaten by dinosaurs or at least very large ancient rodents. I guess it doesn't meet the 100 million year old age mark.
andrewflnr•31m ago
It was once thought that giant ground sloths were important for spreading avocados, but that seems to have been a mistake. Anyway, that was long after the dinosaurs. Flowering plants in general were still pretty new by the time the dinosaurs died out. I bet an actual dinosaur never saw an avocado. :)

Edit: transcript of a video about the sloth/avocado thing: https://nerdfighteria.info/v/jpcBgYYFS8o

andrewflnr•44m ago
Fun idea. At least one correction for the table: For wila/bryorii fremonti's age of 250mya they cite the "geologic history" of... moss. Wila is a lichen, which is primarily fungal with algal symbiotes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryoria_fremontii And even given an edible moss, the fact that moss existed 250mya would not imply that particular species existed "morphologically unchanged". The "reindeer lichen" entry appears to have the same issue.
kilpikaarna•23m ago
Reindeer lichen is not a moss (Wiki link), or even a Plantae...
smoll•15m ago
isn't Sago Palm (Cycas revoluta) highly toxic? i don't think it's edible...
procaryote•11m ago
It's a staple food in some cultures. It needs preprocessing, but people have been doing that for a while
hnlmorg•15m ago
I wonder if there are any fungi that would make that list?
trilogic•9m ago
The theory of evolution didn´t work on Horseshow crab? Darwin did you read that. Maybe nasa should read it too :)

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