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New York Just Killed Its Robotaxi Plan. The Real Problem Isn't the Technology

https://www.phyware.io/blog/ny-robotaxi-trust-gap
10•chris_money202•3h ago

Comments

dzdt•2h ago
I had aasumed the plan was killed for cynical political motivations, the same as apparantly caused the hangup and Hochul's near killing of NYC congestion pricing. Its really hard to gather evidence about what is the motivation for things though...
thaumasiotes•2h ago
> Its really hard to gather evidence about what is the motivation for things though...

It can be, but it can also be hard to know where you should look.

https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge

Zigurd•2h ago
The article somewhat strangely proposes a technology solution to a problem that they claim isn't a technology problem. Disclosure and reporting regulations can be enacted that don't need a technology element other than what vehicles already have installed.
cogman10•2h ago
Yup. If someone vomits in a vehicle, it's not the lack of a blockchain detailing the vomit event which is the problem.

That's the actual trust issue.

cynicalsecurity•2h ago
Save yourself time reading it, it's just a shameless plug for some SaaS service.

The only reason why Waymo was denied access to New York is they haven't given a bribe big enough that the city government requested. That's it. As soon as Waymo gives they bribe they requested they'll be in New York.

chris_money202•2h ago
Plausible take, but what about when a humanoid violates its rule and causes massive damage in a warehouse? Who pays? Who provides the evidence of what happened?
Yossarrian22•1h ago
Who does those things today?
chris_money202•1h ago
Agreed, this isn’t necessarily the problem of today.
amelius•2h ago
> PhyWare is a data platform for autonomous systems, and we're building it specifically to close this gap.

Why isn't Google/Waymo building it. Sounds like they are much better equipped for it.

catsquirrel28•2h ago
> Imagine the conversation New York legislators could have had if every robotaxi ride generated a cryptographically signed, tamper-evident record of the vehicle's behavior — independently verifiable by any regulator, auditor, or safety agency.

This is putting the cart before the horse. The problem with autonomous vehicles is that there's no standardized third party test suite to validate and certify ahead of time and periodically that the vehicles are capable of behaving correctly in all road conditions even with their sensors degraded as will happen over time.

This kind of validation should be done by the state or a neutral third party like UL in the US before a single vehicle is allowed on public roads.

Without it they're just unleashing multi-ton weapons on the streets with no guarantee they'll perform adequately. The problems with this were evident in SF when the blackout happened and the Waymos clogged up the roadways. If that happens during a real emergency and blocks the roadways it could result in thousands of deaths.

Autonomous vehicles are a bad idea anyway for the reasons in this video[1].

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0

chris_money202•1h ago
The cart is before the horse in some instances, but each state and each city will approach risk a little differently. Cities like SF and Austin are willing to take bigger risk without data, other states and cities will want the data from the risk taking cities to see.

I agree though, these products should be certified ahead of time by industry standards. That is what PhyComp will help accomplish.

deafpolygon•1h ago
Long story short: Liability. We need a clear cut way of placing blame in the event something goes wrong and it can’t be the NYS.

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