Feels analogous to looking for cold fusion because of the downsides of fission.
I didn't get a significant sense of loss from this article though. Especially given the downsides of PFAS.
> Who Got Hurt, Who Didn't
It seems to have had an massive impact, and article also includes a "who got hurt" but there is zero numbers about the number of people actually impacted by this catastrophe? I'm guessing the blogs focus might be on businesses, but considering this might be spawning something of a health crisis in the affected areas, maybe at least a mention of the humans involved here would make sense.
Doesn't that kind of assume that I and everyone too also been impacted, so we should have read about it in our local news? I don't think 3M's PFAS disaster ever been mentioned in either my country's newspaper, nor my local paper, my first time reading about it here, so would be nice if the article didn't make such assumptions.
Many municipalities across the country were/are forced to upgrade their water filtration systems - a huge cost, possibly too little and too late. I know many other countries are taking action too, but I don't know how it compares to how the US responded.
Yes, of course I've heard about PFAS before, but not that data centers were polluting public water systems with PFAS, did you mean earlier that you've read stories about PFAS in general in your papers? That'd put your previous comment in another light, I thought you specifically talking about the "more than 11,000 U.S. public water systems alleging PFAS contamination" part, not PFAS' in general.
I think it was advertised as very water proof, like water would pearl on it.
It's probably full of PFAS, no idea if it has been leeching PFAS, but I know it's not very waterproof anymore, so that might be a worrying clue.
3M and DuPont knew since the 1970s and suppressed the information, not dissimilar to how tobacco and oil industries created disinformation about externalities.
They are plenty reactive in a sense of interacting with enzymes and other cellular machinery.
Maybe sci-hub has a copy of the full paper. Not sure.
As briefly as possible, and therefore glossing over many many details, the toxic effects are mainly due to cell membrane perturbation, cell membrane transport disruption, and binding to hydrophobic protein cavities (thus disrupting the usual function of these cavities).
I'm not sure what "biologically inert" means specifically. Are you saying there are biological chemicals that actually do interact with this stuff? A single example would help me understand.
Inert doesn't really say anything about toxicity, it's not directly related to that. The opposite is though, pretty much any strongly reactive chemical is dangerous or toxic in some way since it will react with stuff humans are made from.
With PFAS the inert example is also usually Teflon. That is also a solid polymer, so not many individual molecules. There isn't much you body could do to process a macroscopic chunk of Teflon, so you'd almost certainly just excrete it.
Edit: Nevermind, Wikipedia makes it pretty clear that even the non-broken-down PFAS are totally unsafe, evil things which we knew were dangerous since the 70s and did nothing about until recently
For example PTFE is a large molecule with strong bonds, and as a consequence isn't very reactive and likely safe.
On the other hand, perfluoroalkyls such as PFOA have the same shape as fatty acids, so they bind to the same places such as in the liver, which makes them grave health hazards.
Many precursors used for making PFAS are also toxic, so for example, even if PTFE is safe, manufacturing it isn't.
My understanding is that the bigger danger is e.g. a Teflon-producing plant than the final Teflon products (assuming the Teflon isn't damaged and heated too much). Because the plant has to handle the reactive ingredients, and those can leak into the environment.
Then of course we produced it at industrial scale for decades flooding the entire planet with this stuff.
They could be built so that they exhaust waste heat into the HVAC system in winter and then switch to an outside piped radiator in the summer or something similar.
End users wouldn’t buy it. They’d make some kind of deal where one is installed and they pay less for heat and the extra electricity is paid by the compute operator via a separate meter. So the DC operator gets cooling that is (averaged over the year) almost free since they are basically reselling the heat for half the year or more.
For individual homes it might be unwieldy to manage a bunch of small units, so apartment/condo blocks and businesses might make more sense for installation. They could be colocated with building HVAC.
I guess economics depends on what percentage of DC cost is power or water for cooling.
You solve this by charging a little more for security certified AI that runs in a secure DC.
You can also easily randomize AI work load distribution, so individual nodes don’t get all queries for a whole coherent conversation or project. It makes an attack less valuable.
Apple has done some research on blinding and obfuscating AI too.
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Florinert can be formulated for either one-phase or two depending on boiling point. Mineral oil is only suitable for single-phase because you cannot deep fry your CPU (it boils at 200C)