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ArXiv Declares Independence from Cornell

https://www.science.org/content/article/arxiv-pioneering-preprint-server-declares-independence-cornell
139•bookstore-romeo•2h ago

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adamnemecek•1h ago
Good call, ArXiv seems like one of the most important institutions out there right now.
p-e-w•1h ago
It’s so important, in fact, that there should be more than one such institution.

People keep falling into the same trap. They love monopolies, then are shocked when those monopolies jerk them around.

andbberger•1h ago
there is. bioarxiv.
auggierose•1h ago
I am using Zenodo for a while now instead. It is more user friendly, as well.
dataflow•1h ago
This sounds terrible. Of course there's a huge risk of it becoming made for-profit. It almost makes you wonder if the academic publishers are behind this push somehow.

Could they not have made it into some legal structure that puts universities at the top? Say, with a bunch of universities owning shares that comprise the entirety of the ownership of arXiv, but that would allow arXiv to independently raise funds?

gucci-on-fleek•1h ago
> Of course there's a huge risk of it becoming made for-profit.

The article says that "it will become an independent nonprofit corporation", and as OpenAI's failed attempt showed, converting a non-profit to a for-profit organization is either really hard or impossible.

> Could they not have made it into some legal structure that puts universities at the top?

As a corporation (even a non-profit one), it will have a board of directors. I have no idea what their charter will look like, but I would be surprised if at least one seat wasn't reserved for a university representative, and more than that seems quite likely as well.

MostlyStable•59m ago
OpenAI didn't get everything that they wanted, but I very much disagree with calling it a "failed attempt". The non-profit went from owning the entirety of OpenAI to having ~25% stake.
gucci-on-fleek•58m ago
Ah, thanks for the correction.
ronsor•57m ago
Sam Altman is a special kind of person; not many could pull off the schemes he does.
gentleman11•44m ago
I doubt it was him who architected it. A team of lawful evil lawyers more likely
halperter•1h ago
Statement by arXiv: https://tech.cornell.edu/arxiv/
reed1234•1h ago
Should be the main link. The original article is based on the CEO job posting.
tornikeo•1h ago
Now the question is, will arxiv wage a decade long bloody war with Cornell, using heavy infantry (PhD students), archers (reviewers) and field artillery (AI slop papers), or will the independence be mostly peaceful? Only time can tell.
alansaber•1h ago
PhD students are levy infantry at best with Postdocs being the armoured levies.
psalminen•1h ago
I might be missing something, but I still don't get the why. I don't see any "problem" that needs to be solved.
tgtracing•1h ago
Interesting point — I’ve seen similar issues when state isn’t clearly defined across layers.
davnicwil•43m ago
Very unrelated to the article, but I think 'arXiv' as a brand is bad, and really detrimental to what the institution aims to accomplish.

That is, it's not readily parseable, it really gives an insider term vibe - like this isn't for you if you don't already know what it means or how you should read or say it. It sort of reminds me of the overuse of latin and latinate terms generally in the old professions and, well, the academy.

Just always struck me as being somewhat at odds with the goal.

john-titor•33m ago
I wonder what makes you feel that. I've been publishing preprints close to a decade on arxiv now and never had any particular feelings about it.

To me it's just a way to get out your work fast, so that there is already a trace of it on the Internets - nothing more and nothing less.

> That is, it's not readily parseable, it really gives an insider term vibe...

Isn't that normal with highly specialized research fields? I agree many papers could benefit from clearer wording, but working in a niche means you sometimes don't reach a broader audience

davnicwil•22m ago
It's an opinion, and you feeling no particular way about it is equally valid.

But I did justify and maybe to reword slightly, surely if one of the main drivers is opening up research, the brand name should be something that's less obscure and more accessible / understandable as to what it is on first sight?

Maybe arXiv evoking the word 'archive' with an ancient Greek twist does that for some, but it's clearly a bit cryptic for many, and if the point is to open up probably the brand should just be something much plainer.

nixon_why69•31m ago
> like this isn't for you if you don't already know what it means

Isn't that actually kindof a good brand signal for a repo of very specialized papers? "Fun with learning" in comic sans wouldn't help credibility.

vasco•7m ago
This the type of guy that will suggest paper.ly as a better name with a straight face and then we wonder why the internet is turning to shit

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