Yggdrasil Network

https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/

62•Velocifyer•3h ago

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woleium•1h ago

it’s been “new” fir as long as i have known about it, over 5 years or so? or is this a different thing?

OsrsNeedsf2P•1h ago

Doesn't look that active either. It unfortunately seems like there isn't a great use case for these networks that will adopt usage through the hurdles

akho•1h ago

Tailscale somehow found use for self-hosters, despite being wildly unergonomic for an all-Linux, non-corporate, network. Yggdrasil lacks marketing effort, but is otherwise a great option.

pwndByDeath•1h ago

I don't recall the year but it was a long while ago, the developer and CJD from cjdns were chatting about ygg, very similar projects just different projects.

The point was to put routing and privacy at the foundation of "the internet"

It was mostly a response to the knowledge of prolific government and corporate spying. There are public nodes to piggyback on the legacy internet but it's another project that let's users build and control their own infrastructure, e.g. mesh-local

Also see CJDNS, darknet project and hyperboria

yjftsjthsd-h•9m ago

Actually, could anyone compare this to cjdns? On the surface they seem pretty similar. Docs say:

> Yggdrasil was created in order to build a decentralised routing scheme for mesh networks that can potentially operate at a global scale, motivated in particular by significant performance and scaling issues that were present in cjdns at the time.

( https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/faq.html )

but that was a while back; where do they stand today?

Animats•1h ago

Not to be confused with the Yggdrasil Linux distro.

(Sometimes being first doesn't help.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_Linux/GNU/X

cestith•1h ago

Yggdrasil was my first distro, but I was evaluating it and another one back to back. I ended up sticking with SLS until I got a RedHat Linux book with a CD in the back - at retail, in brick and mortar book store. The next couple were Caldera and Mandrake, this time in tidy cardboard boxes with multiple discs and multiple books each. I think I got those both at computer/electronics stores. The latency was high, but the bandwidth of driving home with 7 discs was hard to beat at the time.

mbirth•1h ago

Or the yggdrasil daemon from Red Hat:

https://github.com/RedHatInsights/yggdrasil

postsantum•1h ago

Thank you, Yggdrasil, for being just a compact routing scheme, not a semi-governmental military solution for implementing horrors beyond my comprehesion (they just love nordic or lotr names for that kind of things)

xeonmc•1h ago

ootl: what's the deal with hereditary purists and authoritarians appropriating nordic symbolism as dogwhistles?

krapp•1h ago

The Nazis were obsessed with a fictional occult quasi-mythology of the "Aryan" race that heavily appropriated Norse mythology and symbolism. The SS symbol was a pair of sun runes for instance.

I think they appropriate Tolkien (who despised the Nazis and their corruption of "Germanic" ideals and Norse mythology) because a lot of them are nerds who don't read too deeply into it, like how right-wingers and conservatives enjoy Star Trek while being completely oblivious to its progressive ideology.

postsantum•1h ago

It's not hard to imagine what elf-rights were thinking of humans. Perhaps they even had a slur or two

krapp•56m ago

Definitely for the dark elves.

mitchbob•1h ago

Earlier discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42155780

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42158609

dang•59m ago

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46080143 - Nov 2025 (38 comments)

Yggdrasil Network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44337902 - June 2025 (4 comments)

Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43923380 - May 2025 (3 comments)

Yggdrasil is an experimental compact routing scheme that is fully decentralised - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43921624 - May 2025 (53 comments)

Yggdrasil Network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42155780 - Nov 2024 (106 comments)

Yggdrasil Network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41669625 - Sept 2024 (3 comments)

Yggdrasil P2P mesh E2EE IPv6 network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30156551 - Jan 2022 (77 comments)

Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27577201 - June 2021 (102 comments)

Show HN: Yggdrasil Network – compact mesh routing experiment for mesh networks - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18863554 - Jan 2019 (15 comments)

Announcing Yggdrasil Network v0.3 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18751991 - Dec 2018 (3 comments)

Yggdrasil: End-To-end Encrypted IPv6 Networking - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18666245 - Dec 2018 (1 comment)

realreality•1h ago

It's been working well for me as a kind of poor-man's tailscale, connecting several VPS and several laptops.

Karrot_Kream•49m ago

Does anyone run private services for themselves on Yggdrasil by allowlisting specific IPs and piggybacking on the routing layer? I've thought about doing this but haven't tried it.

I wish TLS behaved better with private networks but I around certificates continues to mostly be oriented around the Internet.

infogulch•38m ago

Is Yggdrasil still using raw truncated ed25519 keys to determine the treespace root node? [1] If so, this seems to be an obvious network availability vulnerability. [2]

[1]: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/2021/06/19/preparing-for...

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27577201#27580938

lokar•18m ago

That is a remarkably content-free website. I tried (I think) all of the obvious pages, but still don't know in any detail, how do they handle routing differently from the normal internet.

Can anyone explain? They complain that routing on the internet is (somewhat) hierarchical to scale, but then don't explain their solution to the same problem(s).

The simplified choice has always been distance-vector, or link state. Are they a better attempt at one of these? Some new idea?

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