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Critics say EU risks ceding control of its tech laws under U.S. pressure

https://www.politico.eu/article/fatal-decision-eu-slammed-for-caving-to-us-pressure-on-digital-rules/
81•nickslaughter02•2h ago

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picafrost•1h ago
I continue to find it bizarre that some Americans are offended that Europeans do not want to be dragged into the American corporate surveillance, advertising, and consumption cult. Will nothing be sovereign until Europe is also littered with personal injury attorney billboards, broadcasting pharmaceutical ads, and other pox marks of a degraded culture? Why search for a better way when you can normalize awful (because it's more profitable).
petcat•51m ago
> personal injury attorney

> ... a degraded culture

Do matters of personal injury liability not apply in Europe?

raverbashing•45m ago
WAY less than in the US

But no you don't have ambulance chasers or personal injury lawyers trying to get millions out of someone who had a car crash and now their neck feels funny

Ylpertnodi•44m ago
Not on dirty great billboards, no. Not yet.
stavros•35m ago
Suing for damages here isn't profitable enough for attorneys, because "damages" with free healthcare means "missed a week of work", instead of "got a $200k bill".
pjc50•33m ago
It does happen, but it's way less lucrative. Tends to be limited to actual damages rather than punitive damages. There have been some scam-ish sub-industries (fake whiplash claims, suing councils for tripping over cracks in the pavement). It's very rare to see advertising for lawyers.
holowoodman•11m ago
It's also rare because advertising for lawyers (and doctors) is strictly regulated in some member states. A sign in front of the office saying "S. Goodman, attorney, specialized in drugs, organized crime and whiplash" is OK, billboards, TV spots, newspaper ads and any kind of claims beyond "I'm an attorney and this is my office and specialty" are verboten.
em-bee•31m ago
lawyers or law firms are very limited in how they are allowed to promote themselves.
skrebbel•30m ago
FWIW it took me multiple US television shows to figure out what "ambulance chasers" are and why they exist.
bavell•10m ago
Pretty sure this is illegal now across the board.
kasperni•30m ago
mostly handled by insurance. Payouts are also a lot less, and typically standardized.
moogly•33m ago
"They hate our freedom!" "They want to destroy our culture!"

Every accusation is a confession.

gherkinnn•11m ago
Better Call Saul was a docudrama.
pjc50•1h ago
Specifically, this is another Parliament vs Commission issue. The Commission loves to have little deals away from the public where everything is quietly smoothed over, while the Parliament is trying to build popular legitimacy.
vintermann•4m ago
Also, I'm not sure there's much pressure involved. Mass surveillance is a thing "centrist" EU politicians very much want themselves.
shevy-java•43m ago
Isn't it strange how Washington makes laws in the EU?

I wonder if these lobbyists get paid a lot.

skrebbel•29m ago
Meh, you're right but the EU also makes laws in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect). In the end it's not about who makes the law but whether it's a good law. Ecodesign laws making US vacuum cleaners more economical is good. Trade pressures undermining EU privacy protections maybe not so good.
MarcelOlsz•13m ago
I like how out of all examples to pit up against eroding privacy protections was consumer vacuum stuff from ages ago.
benoau•25m ago
All this so Meta and X can sell politically divisive and hateful advertising with zero transparency.
m-s-y•15m ago
Is it just me or is there not actual meat to this article? Like what specifically are the rules at issue here?
benoau•6m ago
The "Digital Services Act" effectively takes the divisive dark money out of advertising and requires more than minimum-effort moderation, affecting Meta and X:

- bans targeted advertising based on a person’s sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, or political beliefs and puts restrictions on targeting ads to children

- requires transparency on content algorithms and advertising

- requires online platforms prevent and remove posts containing illegal goods, services, or content in a timely fashion

The "Digital Markets Act" compels:

- requires Apple to allow competing app stores, very contentious for Apple who invented a stack of fees for this

- requires Apple and Google to allow apps to freely use 3rd party payments, this is very contentious for Apple and they still charge for doing so

- allow 3rd parties interoperability, eg headphones and smartwatches for Apple and messaging clients for Meta, this is starting to improve

- allow removal of preinstalled apps, settings of new defaults, this is largely done although malicious compliance has kept rival browsers at bay on iPhone

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