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If Apple makes an iPad Neo, it's all over

https://www.techadvisor.com/article/3128472/if-apple-makes-an-ipad-neo-its-all-over.html
30•ndr42•2h ago

Comments

Someone•1h ago
For that to happen, I think there has to be room at the bottom for a product that will not cut much into the sales of higher priced iPads.

For laptops, it seems they had/found that room, but I doubt that room is there for iPads. The low-priced product will have to suffice for browsing, reading, and watching YouTube, and I think that covers the use cases for a large fraction of customers.

Of course, they could go for lower prices, hoping for that to increase iCloud subscription revenues, but long-term, there is a risk of (EU) regulations requiring better competition for that.

williadc•1h ago
Apple does make the product described in this article, aside from the fantasy price. It's called the iPad.
dawnerd•1h ago
I’m confused as well. Did the author not consider the existing product line? iPads are not that expensive for the base model especially during the holidays.
conception•1h ago
I think the idea not explicitly said is it’d be MacOS not iOS.
wvenable•1h ago
Yeah I soon as I saw the price, this article fell apart completely.

The Neo has a great screen and an older iPhone processor. You can take the keyboard off a Neo add a touch screen but you still have to make a device that fits the battery and has all the same technology. You're back to at least a $600 tablet.

hbn•11m ago
The starting price of the iPad is $349
sroussey•1h ago
They should rename it the iPad Neo so we don't refer to as "the just iPad" or plain ipad.
ben8bit•1h ago
For all of the Apple hate recently (with glass + MacOS bugs) - it's still great to be able to invest in high quality hardware. I made the switch to Mac, oh about 12 yrs ago, and sometimes forget how spoilt we are with really tight hardware + software integration.
leptons•1h ago
Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average, sometimes, and still costs more than it should - even the neo with its paltry 8GB of RAM. Apple has had plenty of hardware problems and design foibles. So many.

Their software is equally average in most respects, and has a far smaller market share worldwide across all form factors they support.

iOS is the reason I'll never own another iPad.

I mean, it's fine that you like it, but "spoilt" seems like an exaggeration.

ben8bit•1h ago
> Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average

Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? It's an easy company to hate on - but you don't have any other platform integrated as well as Apple's right now IMO. Unless you maybe count Huawei.

Edit: I think I may be referring more to the holistic picture. But still curious what hardware you think is better.

surgical_fire•15m ago
I am forced to use a MacBook for work and I think it is shit. I partucularly abhor its reflective screen and the toy keyboard. I hate that it has only 4 usbc ports that force me to have a dongle.

I can't fathom why people like that crap apart from looking slick.

Mac OS is shit, and I would unironically prefer to be forced to use Windows at work.

Style over substance. Pure crap to me.

enraged_camel•15m ago
Yeah, no way that is a serious statement. My Macbook Air from 2011 still works perfectly, and the original iPhone that I found stashed inside one of my dad's cabinets charged, turned on without issues and was fully usable as well. That's a device that's almost two decades old. If that's not hardware quality, I don't know what is.
amelius•6m ago
The hardware is great, but it has been crippled by the software. That still makes it a bad product, imho.
hadlock•1h ago
I think the industry has already agreed to give this product category to Apple. Everyone needs a phone, but only specific types of users need a tablet. Apple's tablet is Good Enough for everyone, and they last forever. The o.g. iPad Air we bought in Nov 2020 is still chugging along and we use it... basically only to watch movies on airplane rides etc. And I am primarily a linux/android user, but this is the one Apple device I "use".

If/when it finally dies (we're on year 6) we'll just buy another one, I guess. The biggest risk for our single household tablet is Apple drops support for it. We have no plans to upgrade it ever, so long as netflix and youtube keep working on it.

kgwgk•1h ago
> The o.g. iPad Air we bought in Nov 2020

o.g. ?

CoastalCoder•1h ago
It's kid slang for "original", apparently.
Jtsummers•1h ago
Yeah but 10 years late to be described as the original. That said, my parents got rid of their actual OG iPad only 2-3 years ago (did not hold a charge for a long time, finally decided it was time to get one that did).
kgwgk•1h ago
That was my first reading but "original generation" and 2020 don't go well together.
ssl-3•57m ago
It's been around long enough to have gained cromulence, I think.

I started using "OG" ~16 years ago to disambiguate the Motorola Droid that I had (which was the first Android phone available from Verizon) from the Droid 2, 3, and 4 that came later.

"OG Motorola Droid" has specificity, while "Motorola Droid 1" is something that never existed.

Anyway, my usage is old enough to drive a car. :)

Natfan•27m ago
first gained general use in ~1991, so 35 years ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/OG

are these "kids" also in the young republicans group chat?

Jtarii•25m ago
50 year old kids
refulgentis•1h ago
Original gangsta, which has come to mean “original” with a tint of “I respect it”

They’re either using loosely, as in “my first iPad Air purchased”, or tightly, as in "the original iPad Air release", which was in 2013 but could be purchased used, presumably.

surgical_fire•21m ago
I had an iPad that Appled forced into obsolecence. I had to throw a perfectly ok piece of hardware on the trash because it was madr unusable by the manufacturer. It's the main reason I despise Apple, including its hardware.

I replaced it with a Samsung A7. It's even better than the iPad as I could sideload a manga reader that syncs with Komga, amazing stuff to read manga.

And I can install LineageOS if need be.

Objectively a better choice than iPad for me.

boppo1•17m ago
How did apple make it unusable? What model?
signal11•8m ago
Yes, I was wondering about this. Old iPads running iPad OS 15 received updates last month. So even an iPad Air 2 from 2014 could receive updates in 2026.

The big issue with old iPads though is that apps drop support for older iPad OS versions. Usually their older versions do keep working, though.

surgical_fire•36s ago
I don't remember the model. It waa purchased in 2012. Thrown into the trash circa 2019.

7 years lifespan. My Samsung A7 is nearly there.

jonchang•16m ago
Why wouldn't you just recycle it instead of throwing it in the trash? Seems wasteful.
surgical_fire•1m ago
I threw it into a recycle bin for electronic devices.

Also called trash.

tracerbulletx•4m ago
wtf are you talking about apple supports their devices significantly longer than android..
Fergusonb•20m ago
Apple's tablets are great, but I think we're just pretty close to the limit for these entertainment devices.

I have a now 7(!) year old Tab S5e that I use to consume media, and it's 5.5mm thick, with 10 hours of battery, a 1600x2560 super AMOLED, and quad firing speakers.

Nothing on the market makes me feel I need an upgrade over what was a $400 mid range tablet, because I have an incredible media experience on all my streaming apps.

pmontra•2m ago
> only specific types of users need a tablet

In my case I use my 8.4" tablet to watch free to air TV with a TVHeadend client for Android (no idea if there is one for iOS.) I run a couple of YouTube alternative apps that Google would love to kill. Firefox. Not much else. It's handy as a portable TV set.

comrade1234•1h ago
I never understood googles strategy in mobile. At the beginning I assumed that they would make a reference platform showing what's possible - a high-end pixel with all of the latest hardware and software features to promote their OS and software. Driving advancement in hardware by others using android. But instead it seems like they're competing at all levels with their hardware and are trying to win at consumer-level hardware against china instead of with their software and search and now ai - areas with high margins and where they make money.

Since their hardware group is t working at promoting their software group they should probably just spin off and do their own thing.

hocuspocus•1h ago
Google just sucks at this.

The Nexus and early Pixel eras have been a series of weirdly positioned and priced models year after year. Google didn't even bother trying to sell them in more than a handful countries.

Then Google switched to a pretty bad Exynos based SoC and consistently shipped underwhelming hardware at price points aligned with Apple... requiring absolutely insane discounts or promotion campaigns, even at launch. Can you imagine Apple giving you AirPods Pro or a Watch if you buy the next iPhone 18 on day 1?

We've seen things like the Pixel tablet that should have been sold at half its MSRP to stand even a small chance against the iPad.

And I won't even talk of the many hardware issues... my dad's Pixel 7a was fully reimbursed for 25% more money than he actually spent buying it.

Marsymars•3m ago
> Can you imagine Apple giving you AirPods Pro or a Watch if you buy the next iPhone 18 on day 1?

Apple does exactly this, they just launder it out to their carrier partners. My wife's carrier was recently offering a free Apple Watch if you pre-ordered a new iPhone before launch.

Similarly, Apple was already selling a laptop (the M1 MacBook Air) at MacBook Neo prices, but only via Walmart (and they were continuing production of the M1 MBA specifically for this deal).

jayd16•37m ago
They need to be competitive to some degree for the hardware to actually work as a valid reference and explore those spaces. They also need the business to be successful enough to be a proper threat to would be rebellions from the hardware partners. In general, it is about the software.
whalesalad•1h ago
umm the macbook neo is an ipad lol. with a keyboard attached.
Jtarii•23m ago
Not what words mean
m463•1h ago
At costco they already sell an ipad for $299

That is just £219 and the article wants £200

amazingamazing•28m ago
7in iPad with old Apple Watch processors.
neko_ranger•26m ago
Give me the iphone neo
throw03172019•18m ago
You can already buy a $349 tablet. Is $200 really the bottom price where growth skyrockets? I’m doubtful.
rumblefrog•9m ago
You can also buy very cheap laptop prior, but the hardware wasn't that good... Until MacBook Neo came along.
getpokedagain•3m ago
I think this is pointing out that the base iPad which has nice hardware is already 350 and 200 is not gonna encourage that many new buyers.
bombcar•16m ago
This made much more sense when I read it as asking for an iPad Nano
Marsymars•8m ago
It's an iPhone Pro Max without the cellular radio!

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