I am, however, concerned that this will pwn my workplace. We don't use Tanstack but this seems self-propagating and I doubt all of our dependencies are doing enough to prevent it.
Every package manager that does not analyze and run tests on the packages being uploaded (like Linux distros do) is vulnerable.
(I'm not being stupid, even ten years ago there were arguments on HN about whether you should audit your dependencies)
I landed on the 'yes, you should know what code you are getting involved with' side.
Go Get is closer to always locking dependencies unless you explicitly upgrade them with a go get, so it's much much better in my view.
Yes, you can lock deps in NPM/Cargo/etc. but that's not the default. It is the default in Go.
In Go projects my policy for upgrading dependencies includes running full AI audit of all code changed across all dependencies, comes out to ~$200 in tokens every time but it gives those warm 'not likely to get pwned' vibes. And it comes with a nice report of likely breaking changes etc.
BTW a curated mirror of <whatever ecosystem> packages, where every package is guaranteed to have been analyzed and tested, could be an easy sell now. Also relatively easy to create, with the help of AI. A $200 every time is less pleasant than, say, $100/mo for the entire org.
Docker does something vaguely similar for Docker images, for free though.
I don't read it in detail because reading in detail is precisely what I delegate to the harness. The alternative is that I delegate all this trust to package managers and the maintainers which quite clearly is a bad idea.
Whether the $$ pricetag is worth it is.. relative. Also in Go you don't update all that often, really when something either breaks or there is a legitimate security reason to do so, which in deep systems software is quite infrequent.
Funnily enough for frontend NPM code our policy was to never ever upgrade and run with locked dependencies, running few years old JS deps. For internal dashboards it was perfectly fine, never missed a feature and never had a supply chain close call.
How is it not the default in npm?
Idk about Python, I refuse to use that language for other reasons.
Jesus, that's vindictive.
NPM is the windows of package managers right now.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but signed packages are still impractical in NPM which is why supply chain attacks still work by editing existing versions or pushing new point releases without a signature or just putting all of the credentials in GitHub actions which is even more trivially exploitable.
This doesn't really feel sustainable, you're rolling the dice every time the dependencies are updated.
https://gajus.com/blog/3-pnpm-settings-to-protect-yourself-f...
Just a handful of settings to save a whole lot of trouble.
Completely unforced fragmentation of the dependency manager space imo
On a related note, it seems to be impossible to find the documentation of min-release-age by googling it. Very annoying.
If I see a package version dependency that looks like this: ^1.0.0 or even this: "*", then stop reading, pin it to a secure version immediately.
it used to be that projects that pinned deps were called out as being less secure due to not being able to receive updates without a publish.
different times, different threat model I suppose
- Python inline dependencies in PEP-0723, which you can pin with a==1.0, but can't be hash-pinned afaik.
- The bin package manager lets you pin binaries, but they aren't hash-pinned either.
- The pants build tool suggests vendoring a get-pants.sh script[0] but it downloads the latest. Even if you pass it a version, it doesn't do any checks on the version number and just installs it to ~/.local/bin
[0]: https://github.com/pantsbuild/setup/blob/gh-pages/get-pants....
One of the worst ecosystems that has been brought into the software industry and it is almost always via NPM. Not even Cargo (Rust) or go mod (Golang) get as many attacks because at least with the latter, they encourage you to use the standard library.
Both Javascript and Typescript have none and want you to import hundreds of libraries, increasing the risk of a supply chain attack.
At this point, JS and TS are considered harmful.
The difference is that the usual C libraries don’t split the project into small molecules for no good reasons. You have to be as big as GTK to start splitting library in my opinion.
Other ecosystems package managers are really no different in a lot of ways.
NPM's biggest fault is just it allows post/pre install scripts by default without user intervention.
Going to Trusted Publishing / pipeline publishing removes the second factor that typically gates npm publish when working locally.
The story here, while it is evolving, seems to be that the attacker compromised the CI/CD pipeline, and because there is no second factor on the npm publish, they were able to steal the OIDC token and complete a publish.
Interesting, but unrelated I suppose, is that the publish job failed. So the payload that was in the malicious commit must have had a script that was able to publish itself w/ the OIDC token from the workflow.
What I want is CI publishing to still have a second factor outside of Github, while still relying on the long lived token-less Trusted Publisher model. AKA, what I want is staged publishing, so someone must go and use 2fa to promote an artifact to published on the npm side.
Otherwise, if a publish can happen only within the Github trust model, anyone who pwns either a repo admin token or gets malicious code into your pipeline can trivially complete a publish. With a true second factor outside the Github context, they can still do a lot of damage to your repo or plant malicious code, but at least they would not be able to publish without getting your second factor for the registry.
That is why I want 2fa before publish at the registry, because with my gh cli token as a repo admin, an attacker can disable all the Github branch protection, rewrite my workflows, disable the required reviewers on environments (which is one method people use for 2fa for releases, have workflows run in a GH environment whcih requires approval and prevents self review), enable self review, etc etc.
Its what I call a "fox in the hen house" problem, where you have your security gates within the same trust model as you expect to get stolen (in this case, having repo admin token exfiled from my local machine)
> We impose tag protection rules that prevent release tags from being created until a release deployment succeeds, with the release deployment itself being gated on a manual approval by at least one other team member. We also prevent the updating or deletion of tags, making them effectively immutable once created. On top of that we layer a branch restriction: release deployments may only be created against main, preventing an attacker from using an unrelated first-party branch to attempt to bypass our controls.
> https://astral.sh/blog/open-source-security-at-astral
From what I understand, you need a website login, and not a stolen API token to approve a deployment.
But I agree in principle - The registry should be able to enforce web-2fa. But the defaults can be safer as well.
Nothing in this link [1] proves what I said, but it is the test repo I was just conducting this on, and it was an approval gated GHA job that I had claude approve using my GH cli token
I also had claude use the same token to first reconfigure the enviornment to enable self-approves (I had configured it off manually before testing). It also put it back to self approve disabled when it was done hehe
[1] https://github.com/jonchurch/deploy-env-test/actions/runs/25...
https://docs.github.com/en/rest/actions/workflow-runs?apiVer...
Also for a Pending Deployment: https://docs.github.com/en/rest/actions/workflow-runs#review...
Both of these need `repo` scope, which you can avoid giving on org-level repos. For fine-grained tokens: "Deployments" repository permissions (write) is needed, which I wouldn't usually give to a token.
Crazy that an "orphan" commit pushed to a FORK(!) could trigger this (in npm clients). IMO GitHub deserves much of the blame here. A malicious fork's commits are reachable via GitHub's shared object storage at a URI indistinguishable from the legit repo. That is absolutely bonkers.
https://github.com/TanStack/router/issues/7383#issuecomment-...
the GitHub bot law: the GitHub bot situation is way worse than you imagine even if you are aware of the GitHub bot law.
yes, a cheap parody on Hofstadter's law, but that's how bad it is
2. NPM still not only publishes them, but also keeps distributing them for anything beyond 5 minutes.
Microsoft/GitHub/NPM can only keep repeating "security is our top priority" so many times. But NPM still doesn't detect these simple attacks, and we keep having this every week.
Again? How have lifecycle scripts not instantly been defaulted off? Yes breaking things is bad, but come on, this keeps happening, the fix is easy, and if an *javascript* build relies of dependendlcy of dependency's pulled build time script, then it's worth paying in braincells or tokens to digure it out and fix the biold process, or lately uncover an exploit chain. This isn't even a compiled language.
Given the recent lpe vulns docker 100% won’t cut it.
And containers were never meant primarily as a security boundary anyways
the JVM ecosystem, though, has Maven Central with very strict namespacing and verification rules, and you can still just trust the dev directly and add their GitHub Maven Registry or wherever they publish anyway. (many do so for early access versions, like InMo's ktgbotapi and JetBrains Kotlin)
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