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Surveillance Is Not Safety: A statement on the UK's latest threat to privacy [pdf]

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/2026-06-08-uk-surveillance-is-not-safety.pdf
133•g0xA52A2A•2h ago

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stronglikedan•1h ago
> Surveillance Is Not Safety

Maybe not, but as long as the average person thinks it is, it may as well be.

Animats•1h ago
It's a great meme, though. Use it more.
ktallett•1h ago
The average person doesn't have any knowledge on this system.
rockskon•51m ago
Does the average person think this? Perception of what other people think doesn't always line up with what they actually think.
pydry•29m ago
I doubt the average person gives it much thought at all.

This certainly isn't a result of democratic overreach by a concerned group of citizens. No demographic is demanding this.

It's one of those "create the infrastructure for stasi 2.0" the epstein elite tries to periodically ram down our throats ironically using "think of the children" to manufacture consent.

The last time they did this they contracted saatchi and saatchi to run an a disturbing campaign: https://londondaily.com/revealed-uk-gov-t-plans-publicity-bl...

cyanydeez•25m ago
isn't more as long as the average billionair thinks it is.

It's not like it's the average person pushing it.

circadian•8m ago
https://xkcd.com/610/
ktallett•1h ago
Won't somebody think of the children appears to be the world's most effective method of bringing in restrictive and privacy destroying laws, yet they just don't work.
christoph•52m ago
Well yes, the great cabal of people bringing in these immense rafts of surveillance are the very people who commit, or who certainly hang out with the people who commit the most heinous acts. See the Epstein files.

Notice the same people will also talk during the daytime about morals and equality, while then conducting genocide in the evening.

Lio•17m ago
We'll see. I can't be the only voter fed up with how Labour are handling this.

I find they way that Peter Kyle and Jess Philips have dismissed privacy concerns about online surveillance particularly condescending.

Come the next general election they are going to be paid back for this.

(Oh, and I appreciate Signal speaking up and have just donated to them again for doing so).

ls612•5m ago
The idea is that people who have politics like yours can be “visited” by the police and asked to “voluntarily” come down to the station for an interview about “hateful rhetoric” on social media. Doesn’t matter how you vote if actual political opposition is outlawed, which is where the UK is heading rapidly aided by digital surveillance.
budududuroiu•55m ago
The ratchet ratcheting: client side scanning, then remote attestation to ensure client side scanning works, digital identity verification, etc etc.
ajb•26m ago
Yes, but this is preaching to the choir.

The counter must be as visceral is the claim. They make an emotional pitch:your children are in danger, surveillance is the solution. The counter must show the dangers in visceral, emotionally relevant way. This surveillance is actually a risk to parents and children as well - that by the accusation of an opaque, unaccountable system, you will be labelled a pedophile, and your kids taken away. That when sharing a picture of your own child with your own mother, you will have to worry about what the electronic bureaucracy will label your picture as.

Abstractions like privacy,and categorical claims, aren't going to reverse this. A properly pitched campaign could do. Sure, complain that politicians and the public are dumb. That may make you feel better but it won't change this an iota. Talking to people in the terms they care about might.

lifeisstillgood•18m ago
>>> That when sharing a picture of your own child with your own mother, you will have to worry about what the electronic bureaucracy will label your picture as.

I 100% agree on the need to counter emotional fire with emotional fire. And this is the right way to combat this sort of overreach

However, I do think that “the choir” need to rethink what is and is not privacy - a huge amount of the benefits of having our every waking moment monitored by the virtual world (which is going to happen) can be lost if we don’t allow epidemiology to follow our digital selves.

Detecting one’s word use is slipping might signal a trip to the doctors or a thousand other digital tells that will help us improve our lives. If we have to fight against ads and digital searches for terrorism, at least let’s get the benefits too.

areoform•11m ago
Signal should come out swinging. Here's a pitch.

The Government is going to put a snitch on every phone, tape every bedroom, and listen in every evening in every home. Every doctor's visit. Every therapy session. Every pub. Every street. Every store.

When the snitches phone home, what you type to your lover may get the cops sent to your home.

Artificial stasi in every desktop, laptop, tablet, camera, and phone. Around every corner. In every living room. No one will be exempt from their gaze.

Are you ready for your vacuum cleaner to phone home?

ryanisnan•9m ago
Signal is on the right side here. I think it's time for us techies to fight back by developing the future. I'm trying to do my part - https://mediaden.ca

Also looking to get involved with the meshtastic project.

cantalopes•8m ago
Praise
michaelt•7m ago
I sometimes wonder whether the people in the tech industry who worked on things like secure boot, attestation, and DRM saw this as the inevitability open source advocates always saw it as.

Did they think, as they worked to transfer final say from users to corporations, by technical means, that politicians couldn't transfer that control to themselves by political means?

Did they think they could lock things down to extract their 30% app store fee while enforcing rules through app review (and demonstrating censorship of sites like Tumblr) that politicians wouldn't want that same rule-setting, censoring power?

Did they think their employers were going to prevent that transfer, that the trillion-dollar companies would become some sort of Che Guevara style insurgents, running a guerrilla campaign to overthrow the very system that made them trillion-dollar companies?

Surveillance Is Not Safety: A statement on the UK's latest threat to privacy [pdf]

https://signal.org/blog/pdfs/2026-06-08-uk-surveillance-is-not-safety.pdf
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