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Phoenix LiveView 1.2 Released

https://phoenixframework.org/blog/phoenix-liveview-1-2-released
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cpursley•1h ago
LiveView is such a breath of fresh air, especially over the vibe coded NextJS rats nests that have become the norm (that need specialized hosting, are dog slow and require a ton of proprietary paid services bolted on like caching, background workers and even auth which Elixir and Phoenix provide out of the box).

https://elixirisallyouneed.dev

candl•37m ago
What are the pros and cons compared to ASP.Net/Blazor?
weatherlight•24m ago
The BEAM virtual machine. Its has lightweight isolated processes, message passing, supervisors, hot-ish runtime introspection, and fault containment are not libraries bolted on later. They are the substrate. not an after thought.

if you are build an app that needs the following: + many concurrent users + real-time UI + background jobs + workflows + stateful sessions + distributed events + failure isolation + “this thing should keep running for months”

You're going to want the thing built on the BEAM.

zerr•22m ago
But it doesn't have neither AOT nor JIT.
foxes•17m ago
elixir/erlang gets compiled into beam byte code. It's a vm. why does this matter..
conradfr•16m ago
What about https://www.erlang.org/doc/apps/erts/beamasm.html
arcanemachiner•15m ago
I believe BEAM bytecode is now JIT-ed.

EDIT: It is, since OTP 24 was released in 2021:

https://www.erlang.org/downloads/24

> The BeamAsm JIT-compiler has been added to Erlang/OTP and will give a significant performance boost for many applications. The JIT-compiler is enabled by default on most x86 64-bit platforms that have a C++ compiler that can compile C++17.

rubyn00bie•13m ago
TLDR; LiveView is web only.

There have been efforts to make LiveView native, but it’s extremely difficult to do so, and thus far (to my knowledge) all have failed.

I was thinking about this the other day because carsandbids (Doug DeMuro’s car auction site) uses Blazor (at least as far as I can tell). And I think that’s one of its biggest advantages of Blazor—- is that it is capable of producing native apps and web apps while LiveView is resolutely not. And that’s because Microsoft can pay for it (or at least sponsor huge amounts of supporting infrastructure).

And FWIW— that’s an extremely difficult problem to solve. It requires an enormous amount of funding, both a huge team capable of both understanding Android and iOS SDKs and capital to employ folks on pure engineering challenges (hence why MS or Meta can). End users don’t care if it’s made with LiveView, Blazor, React, Java, SwiftUI, et. al. And, the list of companies that can facilitate that long term is extremely small.

There’s also the issue of OTP being non-trivial to implement or meaningfully transpile into another language/runtime. Erlang, BEAM, and OTP were made together for each other in a very peculiar and specific way, for a specific set of problems, and if it wasn’t a necessity that they were developed together it would be a dead language, runtime, and platform (and for the record it’s absolutely not).

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Phoenix LiveView 1.2 Released

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