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Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/events/extreme-heat-improving-governance-and-strengthening-action-around-the-world/
131•rendx•2h ago

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delichon•1h ago
> Hosted in collaboration with the Zurich Climate Resilience Alliance.

Their climate resilience seems low.

> The event will finish with a fire side chat

Is this a prank?

bluefirebrand•52m ago
A fire side chat does not mean there will be an actual fire

It's corpo speak for "a more casual discussion"

rasz•1h ago
At first I thought it was just virtue signaling. But no, its the venue.

>Venue: LSE Shaw Library, Houghton St, Old Building, London

https://halls.lse.ac.uk/story/25006031/deal-with-the-uk-weat...

> LSE halls (like most houses in the country) don't have air conditioning, it can be quite suffocating.

I blame LSE. Uni should provide safe and comfortable environment for students.

SecretDreams•1h ago
Uni is just preparing the students for the realities of the real world =[
ceejayoz•1h ago
> At first I thought it was just virtue signaling.

Maybe examine the reflex to dismiss out of hand without evidence?

zaik•1h ago
Reminds me of "dermatology convention in Hawaii": https://youtube.com/shorts/1uRxIe1dXGU
shitloadofbooks•1h ago
"Extreme Heat" seems to be 37-40 degrees Celsius which is bafflingly mundane to me as an Australian who grew up in rural New South Wales. We'd pack 30 kids and a teacher into an un-airconditioned classroom with just a ceiling fan and the windows open in that temperature.

I imagine the buildings there just aren't built to support that heat plus the body height of hundreds or thousands of attendees?

winstonp•1h ago
the British are notoriously sensitive to heat. They'll call 30 Celsius weather a heat wave.
jorl17•1h ago
I'm from Portugal and I start losing it at 25. 30 degrees is insane.

Last summer my house got to 39, and I didn't have AC (it was broken). I think I'm still recovering.

ornornor•1h ago
I had 40 Celsius today at around 9pm. Middle of the night now and it’s 34. It’s as cool as it’s going to get before it starts heating up again tomorrow. Where I live there are no laws on max temperature in residential housing so the owner (I’m renting) doesn’t have to do anything about it. Never mind the poorly insulated, black slate roof (I’m on the last floor) or lack of AC (I’d have to foot the bill anyway).
wil421•1h ago
That’s normal where I live in the Southeast US from late May to late September. Plus 60-99% humidity, I can see the air in the mornings.

There’s something about 85F/30C and 80%+ humidity that prevents the temp from going much higher for a longer period of time.

lwansbrough•1h ago
Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths.

By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

PaulKeeble•1h ago
I completely agree. Historically AC has not been necessary for the one to two days a year it was needed, but that world is gone now and the situation has changed and the widespread adoption of AC is now necessary.

Its going to be a huge challenge because the buildings are not designed with that in mind, many buildings are hundreds of years old making these sorts of renovations notoriously difficult and expensive, but it has to start because climate change is only going to get worse and worse.

jatora•42m ago
So you are saying temperature has risen enough to warrant an AC now? Due to climate change? I thought climate change was on aggregate ~1C difference but my data is a decade old the last time i looked into it
colechristensen•39m ago
The average temperature across the entire globe averaged over a year does not mean that each day is subject to the exact average added to it.

Global warming intensifies differences in weather patterns. Hotter hots, colder colds, more intense storms, etc.

anthk•1h ago
Some buildings in Southern Europe have thick as hell walls which isolate from both heat and cold (the North can be really chilly near the Atlantic, and freezing away from the Mediterranean).
kiriberty•1h ago
So calling for the conference and cancelling it raises awareness of extreme heat? Well played
mikelitoris•29m ago
I love a good self reference
stronglikedan•5m ago
[delayed]
indigodaddy•18m ago
Apparently, NOT a theonion article
westurner•18m ago
Recently - from YT recommended - I learned about Glauber's salt (sodium sulfate).

Glauber's salt is a PCM phase-change material that melts at 90F / 32.4C and starts absorbing thermal energy.

human305893•1h ago
Euro buildings are built to keep heat in. Aus buildings are leaky tents.
eisa01•34m ago
That should actually help you also with AC: Keep the cold in, and reduce the electricity costs
weightedreply•1h ago
We need a humidity comparison to go with temperature.

I grew up in a humid city and summers were unbearable. Now I live in a dry climate and 30°C is pretty comfortable.

maxerickson•59m ago
Humidity makes a big difference in how stressful the temperature is (wet bulb temperature accounts for this somewhat). The age of the attendees and the tendency of the building to heat would also be factors.
anthk•58m ago
40C in the Atlantic Spain with the Foehn effect (weather for today and tomorrow) would make 30C in Australia a joke.

The humidity here it's hell. You feel 35C like ~42C in dry climates.

eloisius•7m ago
A lot of it is acclimatization. In Taipei this morning, at 9:30 it’s already 31C and 73% humidity, forecasted to hit 37C by noon. My first year living here this was unbearable, but now it’s tolerable. It’s just summer, not a spurious heat wave.
tzs•53m ago
How does the humidity in rural New South Wales compare to London?
gonzo41•44m ago
Depends, In northern NSW, the heat it humid, in the south / west it's usually dry. It gets hot, like opening a oven door, but it's not a wet humid heat that kills you.
nomilk•29m ago
And that was after running around a semi-arid playground playing 'tips' or touch footy during recess and lunch!
germandiago•21m ago
Spanish here. Same here.

I think they have been spreading the paranoia for years as if something abnormal was happening... I am not sure, that first thing. Second: even if the weather keeps shifting (I would say more slightly than what they tell us or continuously "suggest" with headlines in the media), these temperatures are bearable by humans with a few cautions depending on the age group.

I used to go jogging midday in summer in Spain, near Valencia, in the seaside. Almost 40 degrees (sometimes I guess 40 or more).

It is hot, true, but if you can resist this kind of impact and you do not expose yourself to the sun in stupid ways (like many hours in a row) nothing bad is going to happen to you.

The headlines are all the time alarming people and sensationalist, even if the cancellation is there.

cjonas•13m ago
I've always assumed there's is some sort of "acclimation" period, maybe even related to the conditions you grew up in. I much would rather spend a time outside in -40c (with proper outerwear) than 40c
gonzo41•47m ago
I think there's a bit of a definitional skew happening here. The data isn't that good around this stuff.

Heat as the primary factor, vs heat related deaths is significant.

Heat is a system stressor. There's plenty of people having heart attacks and dying from weight related issues that probably got pushed over the edge by a hot day in Nevada that are missed in official stats.

eisa01•36m ago
Agree

Especially as air conditioning are heat pumps.

Would have helped solve the large dependency on natural gas heating for free as a byproduct!

g-b-r•26m ago
Had the US not used air conditioning so much we probably wouldn't have this heatwave right now.

Oh but what's the problem, just add more air conditioning! :facepalm:

cm2012•25m ago
No, its almost negligible
stronglikedan•14m ago
> Had the US not used air conditioning so much we probably wouldn't have this heatwave right now.

Sure we would, since AC has nothing to do with it.

Aeolun•24m ago
I think it's more that air conditioning is (currently) prohibitively expensive. The few people I know that have it spent several thousands of euros on their installations. That's not something most people have lying around.

You'd think the government could subsidize aircon like they did solar for years, and both of those things combined would translate to very pleasant summers spent in energy neutral air conditioned homes.

mc32•16m ago
You don't need to get central A/C or mini splits. You can use an efficient Window unit (not those single ducted portable units that are just barely better than nothing.) Those are available at Walmart in the US for a couple hundred apiece. Presumable hypermarkts like Carrefour would carry them or some places that serve home improvement.
Retr0id•10m ago
For some reason it's very hard to find window units for sale in the UK, single-duct portables are the only thing available for cheap.
rcvassallo83•8m ago
Efficient window unit?

Best of the best is about 15-16 SEER

That's entry level central HVAC efficiency

Minisplits are far higher, 20+

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