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Reparaible and open source paper printer

https://www.opentools.studio/
121•bouh•1h ago

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HelloUsername•53m ago
Interesting comment from last time this was posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48093670

Inkjet printing requires orders of magnitude more engineering expertise, materials science, industry experience and financial resources than most people imagine. That is the reason, open inkjet printers don't exist despite having been consumer products with the same drawbacks for more than forty years. That is why this is a pre-crowdfund landing page without a demonstrating a working prototype. I would like to be wrong, but I expect you to be waiting a long time. An inkjet printer is not a collection of off the shelf parts. It is a machine that operates at the edge of chemistry, fluid dynamics, and electro-mechanical design...you have to place tiny tiny drops of liquid ink on commodity wood pulp with precision under arbitrary environmental conditions, get that ink to dry on the wood pulp, but not in tank or nozzel, while producing acceptable color, durability, and ease of use. Also lawyers...there are patents.

rubidium•45m ago
99% of this is the printhead and the ink formulation. Assuming you use generic off the shelf solutions for those two components you’re set. All the printer companies do their lock in at the firmware and software layer.
drum55•45m ago
That's why this is just using off the shelf cartridges with commercial heads.
jboy55•7m ago
Which is why its more surprising this was first announced last year and there's no Proof of Concept demo yet?

But really, I've given up on ink jet printers, and have gone the cheap B&W laser route for anything I need to print at home (In the past year, 2 times, a backup ticket and some paperwork that needed a real signature sent back).

But when I had them, the thing that went bad 99.999% of the time was the cartridges or a clogged nozzle on the head. So the advantage here, on the repairability side not DRM, is the rails and motors?

Also that cutter is going to be a pain, having worked on Lightjet printers, that cutter was nearly all field service issues until the FEs started leaving the "laser" key so lab managers could reset the blade themselves.

amenghra•44m ago
An open source all-in-one-printer would be a great device to have. For eg I would love to have the scanner include a camera. So I can get “instant scans” most of the time, and a higher res scan when needed. Maybe the camera could also notice when the person making copies or scans forgot their original and ping them?
sunshinesnacks•37m ago
The required super wide field of view for the camera could be tricky, without making the box really deep. Or am I not thinking about it right?
tjohns•40m ago
On the technology side, I'm somewhat hopeful because it looks like they're using off-the-shelf HP ink cartridges for this. HP cartridges embed the printhead into the cartridge itself, and that printhead is arguably the most complicated part of the entire device. Outsource the printhead, and you're just designing a plotter with a PCL interface.

I agree that the bigger challenge is going to be patents.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see HP add DRM to cartridges to authenticate the printer itself if this catches on. (Possibly requiring a printer driver/firmware update.)

pbronez•30m ago
I don’t see why HP would want to do that. They have huge margins on ink, right? I’m sure the increase in cartridge sales would offset lost subscription revenue from useless cloud services, if only because the people who are gonna use an open source printer would never pay for that anyway.
ldoughty•16m ago
Looks like the intended use case here is you buy the cartridge once, and refill it, and OpenPrinter won't lock you out after doing so like HP does.
zczc•35m ago
From the specs:

  Compatible cartridges  
  HP 63 and HP 63 XL (US)
  HP 302 and HP 302 XL (Europe)
  HP 803 and HP 803 XL (Asia)
So they just use HP inkjet technology. That makes it less open-source, but even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway.
phoronixrly•21m ago
> even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway

You're saying this as if it is a bad thing? I absolutely welcome this decision by the authors!

amelius•19m ago
It really makes more sense to just buy a laser printer, in almost all cases.
logdahl•51m ago
Would be interested in others take on this. Personally, I wonder:

- By rolling the paper, will it really stay flat after printing? - How easy / cheap will sourcing ink be?

VorpalWay•49m ago
This is interesting, but it seems to be a crowdfunding campaign only. I wish them the best of luck (the cause is worthy for sure), but buyer beware at this point.

(I myself don't 2D print enough that an ink based printer makes sense for me. Ink tends to dry, so for me a laser printer that can sit for months at a time makes more sense. I use the scanner as well as my 3D printer far more often.)

I wonder how they will handle the nonsense around yellow tracking dots[1] etc. Hopefully that doesn't become a problem.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

15155•41m ago
> I wonder how they will handle the nonsense around yellow tracking dots[1] etc. Hopefully that doesn't become a problem.

What's there to handle? They just don't include them and there's no statute that requires them to.

VorpalWay•39m ago
Hm, I guess there is no law. But why would so many manufacturers include this unless there is some legal reason or other pressure on them to do so?
attila-lendvai•34m ago
if i gave a plausible hypothesis to this, then i would be downwoted and ridiculed here on HN...
cwillu•17m ago
Thanks for letting us know, I guess?
rubatuga•49m ago
Isn't the paper feed the hardest part - the part that always gets jammed? I swear a paper roll is cheating.
Muromec•44m ago
Image loading is too fancy and went on a lunch break I think.
ktallett•44m ago
It's such a good idea as a project and by the looks of things well executed. I also feel the style of the printer and the fact it can be a roll of paper will lead to interesting project ideas.
getcrunk•44m ago
I mean it’s about time a company makes a repairable and pro consumer printer. My god
exmadscientist•42m ago
I talked a bit about this years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815

TL;DR: I'm surprised this isn't a laser printer, as those are actually quite a bit easier to design and manufacture, especially if you can use a cheap, older, commonly available, remanufacturable toner cartridge.

cwillu•13m ago
Inkjet cartridges often contain the print heads; toner cartridges still need a fuser roll and imaging head to do anything.
SwellJoe•1m ago
[delayed]
ssddanbrown•36m ago
> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

So not open source.

einpoklum•17m ago
The license doesn't apply to the things you print with it.

Are you miffed by the restriction on you selling derivative open printers?

cwillu•15m ago
Yes, because that's the thing that makes it open and able to survive the death or corruption of the entity holding the copyright.
yjftsjthsd-h•5m ago
If nobody can sell me the printer or replacement parts for it after the initial vendor inevitably goes out of business, that's a problem.
prrrrrint•36m ago
Been waiting for framework to make a regular 2D printer, of any kind, would buy at least two instantly. I will never, never, never buy a fing printer from hp/canon/epson/brother/etc with anti-consumer tech, I rather die.
esskay•34m ago
Unless I'm missing something using this in a commercial application would be a license violation:

> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

> This means that everyone is free to use, share, and modify the project, provided they credit the original author, share derivatives under the same license, and do not use it for commercial purposes.

It's also not opensource yet, there's a vague mention of "when its ready" it'll be released.

SwellJoe•5m ago
What about that license makes you think you can't use the device (i.e. print things) for commercial purposes?

The license applies to the thing, not the thing you print using the thing. Me writing software or prose on a computer running Linux using a GPL editor wouldn't change that the copyright of what I write belongs to me, the author.

You can't make a commercial competitor of this printer using their design, but using the printer for its intended purpose (printing) is obviously unrelated to that.

ChrisArchitect•25m ago
Please "repair" the title, maybe include OpenPrinter to start with, or solely.

Some previous discussion on the crowdfunding:

Inkjet printer with DRM-free ink will be launched via a crowdfunding campaign (2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45423404

jzer0cool•20m ago
Can we expect photos to be looking nice?
einpoklum•18m ago
This is just the thing I needed 30 years ago :-(

To be less facetious though, this seems like a nice project (*), but I print so much less these days than in the past. I printed a lot of color stuff when I was in school; but these days I just settle for black/halftoning from a laser printer, for when I actually need something printed, and color on screen only.

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(*) - except perhaps for the NC restriction in the license.

williadc•2m ago
I had an Epson Ecotank for a couple of years. The printer heads got clogged all the time. We bought a series of cleaning products to address it, they often solved the problem for only a few prints. We finally gave up and bought a Brother laser printer.

This project seems like it's trying to address a similar market to the Ecotank. What assurances can the project team provide that OpenPrinter will have better reliability?

tomkarho•2m ago
Richard they did it. You can rest now.
TeaVMFan•1m ago
Title Typo? Reparaible to Repairable?

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