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GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

https://privacypros.com.au/privacy-hub/articles/dv-safe-phone-australia/
28•aussieguy1234•3h ago

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SapporoChris•2h ago
I've used GrapheneOS, but not PrivacyPros setup. The site is interesting. It is almost like a to do list of things for my phone. Most of the things they've done feels like a topic to look into and consider implementing.
d--b•1h ago
This is a website made by people who sell phones that are 100% tracker-free, and that run on GrpheneOS.

I wouldn’t recommend domestic violence victims to install graphene os on their phone by themselves

bigiain•18m ago
The website also says:

"Australian research shows that 99% of domestic violence cases now involve some form of technology-facilitated abuse."

Where the "Australian research" is linked to a page where the first Key Finding states:

"Over one quarter (27%) of domestic violence cases involve technology-facilitated abuse of children."

Doesn't fill me with confidence in anything they say (even if I do believe the advice is right).

Cider9986•14m ago
I'm curious what you are considering with recommending buying a privacy phone vs buying a regular phone and flashing in a DV situation?
Cider9986•1h ago
It's absolutely insane that phones have online accounts deeply integrated into the OS. You need to give Apple your phone number to download any apps on iOS.

For example:

Say anyone that downloaded IceBlock commited crime, Apple could give the govt everyone who downloaded its phone number, the govt could get the realtime location of everyone based on their phone number from the carrier.

And that's not even mentioning the other problem that nobody can download IceBlock anymore[1].

It's so refreshing for my phone not to ask for any identifying information when I set it up. GrapheneOS is a better software experience than iOS anyway[2].

Phones have great potential to be the most private and secure computers, cell services not withdrawing. And iPhones are one of the most private and secure devices. But, Apple uses that to restrict its users freedom and it makes Apple's users can easily be controlled by any government.

GrapheneOS delivers that dream.

[1] https://www.iceblock.app/

[2] once you install good apps. This is coming from a lifelong iOS user. Not prejudiced against Apple, I use a Mac (without an account) and their Advanced Data Protection is great (when I had an account).

monksy•56m ago
I agree with that.. additionaly, I'm finding it to be insane that organizations are trying to force you to have a "audited" phone to interact with them. (I.e. events, businesses, etc)
andai•27m ago
What is that? I don't seem to be finding anything relevant on Google.
andwur•10m ago
Likely referring to Android's Play Integrity/hardware attestation API (good explainer from GrapheneOS [1]) that is practically used to restrict what devices/brands/Android builds an app will allow itself to be run on.

[1] https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

arkhiver•1h ago
It's almost like they're trying to sell you one of their phones... not cool
Cider9986•54m ago
I disagree, it's cool to promote good projects like GrapheneOS that help people.

Have you seen how many articles recommend not secure and not private alternative phones, that's not cool.

Edit: damn some of their phones with it preloaded are like 4x the price your can get for pixels in the state's. Can't speak to Australian prices for regular pixels tho.

bigiain•10m ago
The cheapest option, Pixel 10, costs $1349 from Google, they want $1990 (in Australian Dollars, that's about $940 and $1390 in USD)

So not quite a 50% markup on the bard phone, not quite as bad as 4x.

And while I'd feel like a jerk if I asked for money helping someone at risk of DV setting this up, if I was doing it as a business with the mandatory warranty and support this'd need to include in Australia, I think that's expensive but probably fair?

monksy•55m ago
I use GrapheneOS, I would endorse it for anyone that is technically capable.
lazycatjumping•44m ago
The Fingerprint with Pin 2FA is a huge game changer.
andai•30m ago
Can someone explain this? I've used custom ROMs back in the day (Cyanogen!) but I'm not familiar with GrapheneOS.

I remember Cyanogen ships without Google Play etc., right? (Because if you install Google Services and a bunch of crap from their store (theirs and otherwise) that spies on you, it defeats the purpose of a privacy preserving OS.

So I'm assuming Graphene is at least as strict as that? (Well Cyanogen at least give you the option of installing all that crap but that would seem to defeat the purpose in this case.)

But more broadly I'm not sure I understand the relevance in this particular context. The article mentions that an abuser could put spyware on your phone? Is that a realistic scenario? (Ok I suppose half the stuff on the Play store is spyware so maybe it's more realistic than I'm thinking...)

Cider9986•16m ago
Zero Google services are shippsx by default, but you can install Play Store and Services in a sandbox and it has minimal privacy problems, depending on the permissions you give it.

Their docs are really good, not only for their phone but for learning about privacy and security: https://grapheneos.org

You could still install an app that spies on you on grapheneos because it has 99.99% android app compatibility, so if you gave an app designed for spying the relevant permissions, it would still be able to spy. No way it could hide location indicator or anything like that, but I doubt it could do that on other OSes (don't quote me on other OSes).

Nursie•13m ago
I mean, some obvious things are there in the article, IMHO -

- App isolation and hidden profiles (up to 32 separate profiles)

- Verified Boot (tamper detection on every startup)

So you can do stuff on there that's not going to tip off someone who's controlling enough to demand to see your phone, and so you'll at least be tipped off if someone compromises it.

defrost•10m ago
GrapheneOS allows for "twin states" with a default vanilla state and additional non obvious parallel accounts that are secured to low level milspec(?)

Popular in Ukraine for keeping captured phone data resistant to opposing forces.

Popular with outlaw gangs for annoying LEO anti gang squads.

Now recommended for battered domestic victims to keep controlling others from spying on digital habits.

An unsuspecting clueless abuser might put the spyware on the vanilla account, the victim can "live with that" assuming that the secure obscure login in safe from spyware apps on the alternative state.

Counterpoint: Not all abusers are dumb, smart people can be toxic. Also - I'm not as clear as I would like to be on the GrapheneOS isolation.

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