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Pareto Front

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_front
39•binyu•1w ago

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soupspaces•1w ago
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Aachen•55m ago
Misread the title and got excited about a Pareto font, that is, the best possible font (presumably: distinct l/I, O/0, scores within error margins of the top readability and reading speed scores, widely available, etc.)

Maybe in vein but did anyone already figure this one out? The closest I got was PT sans, open-licensed commissioned by the Russian ministry for communication (I found it surprising that a country that doesn't use Latin script made the best font!), but it's not widely shipped so you need to figure out how to include font files whenever you want to use it

adornKey•20m ago
I'd also be interested in the Pareto Front of Fonts. That would be the final font collection - to rule them all.
joshka•14m ago
lol same :D
airstrike•4m ago
[delayed]
gadders•2m ago
I thought it was some sort of Italian activism group.

"The Pareto Front today claimed responsiblity for...."

bhanu786•45m ago
may, anyone explain what is this
ChrisMarshallNY•43m ago
Basically, prioritization.

It’s really that simple.

Eschew obfuscation.

bhanu786•34m ago
you have confused me
Lerc•27m ago
Almost the complete opposite of prioritisation.

The Pareto points are where you sacrifice the least of anything to get the most of everything.

There's the saying about buying computers. Good, Cheap, Fast, pick any two. That's where you would prioritise.

If someone makes something that better, cheaper, and faster, or even pretty close to the best on two of those and clearly better on the other. It's a Pareto point.

Over time computers are getting better, cheaper and faster (software notwithstanding). The leading edge of that advance of all of the things is the Pareto front.

isoprophlex•38m ago
"what's the family of optimal choices when you have multiple dimensions to rank on?"

Say a race vehicle has acceleration, top speed as defining parameters. Some are slow but accelerate hard, others need a long time to reach very high top speeds. Others are in between, or just flat out bad at both.

The pareto frontier is the set of vehicles that are best: pick one from the frontier and you can be sure that for it's given top speed, none accelerate faster. And vice versa, pick one with a given acceletation and you are sure none have a better top speed

denismenace•43m ago
I'm assuming you must have discovered this through the OpenRouter LLM performance graphs.
miyuru•13m ago
artificialanalysis for me.

https://artificialanalysis.ai/#intelligence-comparison-tabs

gpt5•33m ago
You can see the Pareto Frontier well in DeepSWE's chart here - https://deepswe.datacurve.ai/

ChatGPT 5.6 Luna on the right (cheaper) cover most of the frontier, with a point for Deepseek flash, and higher performance overlapping heavily between 5.6 Sol and Fable.

That DeepSeek point will probably move back towards Luna as deepseek announced a "significant" price increase coming to their API [1], which kind of demonstrates that beating the Pareto frontier is where the difficulty actually is).

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-06/deepseek-...

continuational•38m ago
When you have a tradeoff between two parameters, which points dominate the others in the sense that you can't choose another point without getting less of one of the parameters.
bhanu786•31m ago
thanks, may you tell me where we can use them?
joshka•11m ago
The current thing that comes up regularly is choosing an LLM setup.
felixguendling•33m ago
If you optimize one criterion, it's simple: lowest is best or highest is best. If you optimize multiple criteria, all optimal trade offs between any of the selected criteria are "best" in some way.
chriswarbo•12m ago
If we have a set of things (e.g. language models) and some measures we care about (e.g. cost, speed, whether weights are open, scores for a few benchmarks, etc.), then some of those things will be "pareto optimal" (see below) and some won't. The "pareto front" is the subset that is pareto optimal.

Some thing is "pareto optimal" when there isn't another thing that's AT LEAST AS GOOD in ALL measures, and BETTER in at least one way. For example, if we say there are no ties (for simplicity), then the cheapest language model is pareto optimal; the fastest model is pareto optimal; those which score highest on each benchmark are pareto optimal; and so on.

Tradeoffs can also be pareto optimal: for example, if the cheapest model is also slow, then there will be more pareto optimal models which are "cheapest for their speed"; and so on for other tradeoffs (e.g. fastest that achieves a certain benchmark score; cheapest model with open weights; etc.).

If you're making a decision about which thing to choose, you only need to care about those in the pareto front (since, by definition, anything that's not pareto optimal is objectively worse on at least one measure).

Pareto optimality does not compare one measure against another: something that's 10000x slower can still be pareto optimal, if it's 1% cheaper than the alternatives. To pick a "best" thing, you could give a weight/importance to each measure, and combine them into an overall score: but that's subjective, and might vary between people and tasks. In contrast, focusing on the pareto front is a way to ignore those things that will never be the best, regardless of weighting.

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