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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-android-debloater-next-generation/issues/1426
65•microtonal•5h ago

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jauntywundrkind•5h ago
Noose keeps tightening, the war on General Purpose Computing, the war against users owning devices intensifies. How utterly fallen.

We'll see what happens with the proposed ADB changes. Lots of no one asking for this, lots of people describing how badly their phone use will be greviously impacted, and seemingly very little discussion/engagement/justification. Maybe they'll fire the bullet anyways. https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/526109803

felooboolooomba•57m ago
You will own nothing and you'll be happy.
type0•45m ago
You, too, will love Big Brother
mayama•16m ago
I said the same thing about waiting for 24hrs before being able to use adb to install apps. About 24hrs being not a big blocker and that it was good for security. It's all about boiling the frog slowly, 24hrs is the start and then they'll add more restrictions once users accept that. Ultimately goog would like to have the system as much locked down as apple or even more.
develoopest•39m ago
I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union.

All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

inigyou•33m ago
It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product.

There's MNT in the EU.

cmeacham98•17m ago
While the EU and its member countries can't (or at least morally shouldn't) force people to make the product, if it was a priority they could incentivise it with funding, tax breaks, etc.
p0w3n3d•15m ago
They can make the product according to rules that are imposed on them. One rule: allow privacy. Unless the privacy is not in the field of interest of both the producer and the EU
toymin•13m ago
They could give more funding to SailfishOS, for example
pitchlatte•11m ago
yeah but processors phone home anyway at a level beneath the OS and there’s no european chip development worth mentioning. so i’m not sure real sovereignty is ever going to be possible. crazy considering ASML being in europe.
createful•30m ago
I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled.

"Disabling" an app does not do that much, the OS can re enable it with an update or prevent you from disabling it.

I doubt there is true full privacy on a phone anymore with a stock ROM.

Cider9986•20m ago
GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level.

Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3].

[1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network.

GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead.

[2] https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2083724696722301266#m

[3] https://github.com/IacobIonut01/ReFra

mrbn100ful•13m ago
What does GrapheneOS have to do with this?

This is very useful on OEM ROMs with a bunch of scrapware, no one expects a custom ROM to have this issue.

nicman23•9m ago
in grapheneOS you can disable or uninstall almost everything without adb anyways
Elfener•5m ago
GrapheneOS or other custom ROMs don't solve the actual problem that you can't just buy a smartphone and install any operating system like you can with an actual computer, despite technically being one.

Also, GrapheneOS supports device attestation (the non-google kind at least), which is still ridiculous as such systems have no benefit to people, only to technofeudalist corporations.

spwa4•11m ago
Extremely "Googly" responses there. Not a single mention of the strategy of Google to include, oh, payment, social gaming, ads ... effectively building it into the system and totally disregarding the reasoning that people might want to remove or replace Google Play Services for those reasons. Just act like all that doesn't exist.
yorwba•5m ago
There is no shortage of general-purpose computing hardware in the EU. If you need some general-purpose compute to make a car, an oven, or a phone, you can get it. That consumers mostly buy special-purpose devices that don't always allow them to make full use of the possibilities of the hardware is hardly a sovereignty challenge.

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