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Are We Stuck with Lean?

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/513742/are-we-stuck-with-lean
20•jjgreen•2h ago

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7373737373•51m ago
Metamath's Python verifier - its trusted kernel - is just 700 lines of Python short: https://github.com/david-a-wheeler/mmverify.py/blob/master/m...

Metamath Zero's Haskell implementation 700, and the C implementation 1000 lines (or 1800 overall) https://github.com/digama0/mm0

How do other proof systems compare?

Some bug counts: https://tristan.st/blog/in_search_of_falsehood

ux266478•19m ago
> Metamath is based on set theory, and would therefore address some concerns one might have with the propositions-as-types philosophy used by Lean

Isn't the entire point mathematicians adopted Lean where they spurned Haskell is because of the batteries-included ZFC object language in the former? Metamath implements a set theory object language just the same, it's not based on it at all in this sense. You just changed one metalanguage for another.

dwheeler•14m ago
Metamath contributor here! Each proving tool has its pros and cons, but always happy to see Metamath noted :-).

One thing that's cool about Metamath is that the axioms are not built-in. It's true that the most-used system is based on classical logic and ZFC set theory https://us.metamath.org/mpeuni/mmset.html ... but you don't have to use that system. There's a well-maintained database using intuitionistic logic: https://us.metamath.org/ileuni/mmil.html ; on the so-called "New Foundations" (a many-sorted system): https://us.metamath.org/nfeuni/mmnf.html ; on HOL https://us.metamath.org/holuni/mmhol.html ; and you can make your own if you want to.

In Metamath the proofs hide absolutely nothing. There's no hand-waving "it's obvious that". Every step in a proof must be rigorously and directly proven by some axiom or a previously-proven theorem with absolutely no exceptions. This also means that while finding proofs can be hard, verifying proofs is fast. I just ran a proof verification run of over 47,000 theorems in 6.35 seconds. In the Metamath Proof Explorer / set.mm database (the one with classical logic and ZFC), we routinely run multiple provers by different people on every proposed change. So not only is the kernel small, it's implemented by multiple different programs, making it extremely unlikely we'll accept an invalid proof.

This video I made years ago summarizes Metamath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WH4Rd4UKGE

'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

https://remysharp.com/links/2026-07-23-35890312
245•speckx•1h ago•85 comments

Europe's fires are just the start

https://economist.com/leaders/2026/07/28/europes-fires-are-just-the-start
51•andsoitis•41m ago•28 comments

Why Is Everyone Trying to Build a Solid-State Battery?

https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-is-everyone-trying-to-build-a
47•crescit_eundo•1h ago•39 comments

RFC 8890 – The Internet is for End Users (2020)

https://mnot.net/blog/2020/for_the_users
33•notarobot123•1h ago•12 comments

Why Don't People Use Formal Methods?

https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/why-dont-people-use-formal-methods/
45•Thom2503•2h ago•32 comments

Launch HN: Prized (YC S26) – Let non-engineer staff build secure internal tools

https://prized.dev
14•marinoseliades•1h ago•3 comments

Ron Gilbert started production on Thimbleweed Park 2

https://www.grumpygamer.com/twp2_announce/
129•alberto-m•6h ago•51 comments

Gpiozero Flow

https://bennuttall.com/blog/2026/07/gpiozero-flow/
94•benn_88•4h ago•29 comments

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https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2026/07/29/how-old-is-ann/
33•ibobev•2h ago•27 comments

I made a game where you build a CPU from logic gates

https://select.supply/game/chipbuilder
38•laurentiurad•3h ago•28 comments

Mbodi AI (YC P25) Is Hiring Robotics/Research Engineers

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/mbodi-ai/jobs
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AI's top startups are barely publishing their research

https://www.science.org/content/article/ai-s-top-startups-are-barely-publishing-their-research
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64•yoanwaidev•5h ago•45 comments

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770•robbiet480•17h ago•289 comments

Carolina Cloud pays SOFR on unused prepaid credits

https://docs.carolinacloud.io/organizations/prepaid-interest/
51•bojangleslover•5h ago•36 comments

Go LLM SDK for streaming, tool-calling AI backends (plus frontend React lib)

https://github.com/grafana/ai-sdk
24•matryer•2h ago•6 comments

Are We Stuck with Lean?

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/513742/are-we-stuck-with-lean
21•jjgreen•2h ago•3 comments

3D Pinball for Windows (1995)

https://98.js.org/programs/pinball/space-cadet.html
17•mushstory•3h ago•9 comments

CosmosEscape: Taking over Every Database in Azure Cosmos DB

https://www.wiz.io/blog/cosmosescape-taking-over-every-database-in-azure-cosmos-db
19•uvuv•2h ago•6 comments

The Alice and Bob After Dinner Speech (1984)

https://hex.ooo/library/alicebob.html
5•kamma4434•3d ago•1 comments

The Glass Famine

https://edconway.substack.com/p/the-glass-famine
57•baud147258•3d ago•25 comments

Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/07/google-play-age-signals-api-safer-experiences.html
204•dmantis•4h ago•233 comments

You can't solve computer use by ignoring the interface

https://steelmanlabs.com/blog/computer-use-is-far-from-solved
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LLM Honeypot

https://llm2human.pages.dev/
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Azulejo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azulejo
105•Amorymeltzer•1d ago•34 comments

The first watch featuring computer functions

https://by.seiko-design.com/140th/en/topic/58.html
54•stefanv•4d ago•24 comments

Going beneath NTFS: USN Journal, dfir_NTFS, and artefact-driven investigations

https://andreafortuna.org/2026/07/06/ntfs-forensics-deep-dive/
5•ankitg12•1h ago•1 comments

The Productivity Mirage

https://frantic.im/mirage/
311•msephton•15h ago•137 comments

ChatGPT, Roblox to Fall Under Strictest EU Rules for Platforms

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-29/chatgpt-roblox-to-fall-under-strictest-eu-rule...
51•ch_sm•3h ago•33 comments

Anatomy of a Frontier Lab Agent Intrusion: A Timeline of the July 2026 Incident

https://huggingface.co/blog/agent-intrusion-technical-timeline
437•artninja1988•1d ago•237 comments